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Revamping Graphics Pay - Rindiee - 09-24-2017
(09-23-2017, 08:22 PM)4D Chess Wrote:My issues with this (and this is about the 5th time this has been brought up) is that if you're going to start using a scale for graphics you MUST use a scale for media. Same discrepancy applies in the media section, some people produce heartfelt and good articles -- others are clearly spewing shit.
I think the idea of a scale is unnecessary in general but if you're going to do it for one you have to do the other. It's simple.
Totally agree. Take it from me, am I good at gfx? No. Do i at least give an effort for every piece I put out? Of course I do. Graders don't need a scale to be able to have different gradings and payouts of graphics. Idk how obvious it is for "non graphics" people, but it is very easy for me to tell what was made in paint, and what was made in photoshop. A reason I wanted to be a graphics grader.
Revamping Graphics Pay - ErMurazor - 09-24-2017
Aren't there bonuses for quality graphics now?
Revamping Graphics Pay - 124715 - 09-24-2017
(09-24-2017, 02:43 AM)ErMurazor Wrote:Aren't there bonuses for quality graphics now?
Yeah, but rarely given out. You still see exclusively $2.6Ms for really bad graphics (i.e., worse than my PowerPoint sigs) which are literally a player picture with an effect and the player name. Usually, it's not even a different font. I think accepting graphics that low-effort isn't good. I also have limited tools, but I can make something look ok. There are also tons of free photo editors out there, some of which are good (GIMP and paint.NET come to mind).
Revamping Graphics Pay - Bayley - 09-24-2017
(09-23-2017, 11:22 PM)4D Chess Wrote:My issues with this (and this is about the 5th time this has been brought up) is that if you're going to start using a scale for graphics you MUST use a scale for media. Same discrepancy applies in the media section, some people produce heartfelt and good articles -- others are clearly spewing shit.Even if you are spewing shit, you need to put out over a thousand words to get the money that people are getting from putting a PSD on a picture and then some text. 4 of those gets you 2.6 million. You realize that this is almost equivalent to an hour of a podcast? I can get paint on my computer. Look at one of the recent weekend PT. Someone took the background of the Lions website, pasted a PSD, and added some times new Roman text, will get 2 TPE.
I think the idea of a scale is unnecessary in general but if you're going to do it for one you have to do the other. It's simple.
Take a look at the graded graphics. If this stands, I'm going to stop doing media and just do some horrible paint graphic and submit it. I can get 2.6+ mill for it. Why would I keep doing articles in which the research takes longer than putting crap like this together?
Revamping Graphics Pay - Bayley - 09-24-2017
(09-24-2017, 01:03 AM)Rindiee Wrote:Totally agree. Take it from me, am I good at gfx? No. Do i at least give an effort for every piece I put out? Of course I do. Graders don't need a scale to be able to have different gradings and payouts of graphics. Idk how obvious it is for "non graphics" people, but it is very easy for me to tell what was made in paint, and what was made in photoshop. A reason I wanted to be a graphics grader.I definitely agree, but aren't you upset that people that took 3 seconds are getting the same pay? Doesn't that irk you when you are spending time doing your graphic?
Revamping Graphics Pay - timeconsumer - 09-24-2017
We go through this every season.
http://nsfl.jcink.net/index.php?showtopic=1182
http://nsfl.jcink.net/index.php?showtopic=2596
It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.
Grade on a scale, you get subjectivity. You get guys trying to learn putting in 45 minutes and getting paid $250k while an expert in 20 minutes gets $750k.
Give a flat payment, you get laziness. Paint sigs. etc.
No matter what this comes down to the quality and effort of the GRADERS more than anything else. No system will work unless you have good graders who understand graphics very well. They also need to understand the people making the graphics, their skill level, and know how that person has been progressing.
Revamping Graphics Pay - Bayley - 09-24-2017
(09-24-2017, 10:36 AM)timeconsumer Wrote:We go through this every season.Ideally, you do have graphics people grading. You only get better by trying and getting feedback. If you clearly put effort, chances are you will be a 3 on the scale anyway which nets you similarly to what you get now. Those people aren't the ones that need to be docked. People taking pictures or using paint with NO EFFORT needs to be stopped. You're going to see no media and people posting shit graphics because why would you spend time doing media?
http://nsfl.jcink.net/index.php?showtopic=1182
http://nsfl.jcink.net/index.php?showtopic=2596
It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.
Grade on a scale, you get subjectivity. You get guys trying to learn putting in 45 minutes and getting paid $250k while an expert in 20 minutes gets $750k.
Give a flat payment, you get laziness. Paint sigs. etc.
No matter what this comes down to the quality and effort of the GRADERS more than anything else. No system will work unless you have good graders who understand graphics very well. They also need to understand the people making the graphics, their skill level, and know how that person has been progressing.
Revamping Graphics Pay - timeconsumer - 09-24-2017
(09-24-2017, 11:41 AM)BayleyIsland Wrote:Ideally, you do have graphics people grading.
Well, some are. Some aren't.
Revamping Graphics Pay - Bayley - 09-24-2017
http://nsfl.jcink.net/index.php?showtopic=4303
2.75m
http://nsfl.jcink.net/index.php?showtopic=3970
3.2m (creative, sure, minimum effort and doubles the media pay)
http://nsfl.jcink.net/index.php?showtopic=3271
1.9m
http://nsfl.jcink.net/index.php?showtopic=4825
1.6m
Are you kidding me? I am all aboard to grade media on a scale. Deduct any words that have nothing to do with the NSFL. I mean, you aren't paid to write about American Idol. I mean, this is a HUGE problem.
Revamping Graphics Pay - timeconsumer - 09-24-2017
(09-24-2017, 11:52 AM)BayleyIsland Wrote:http://nsfl.jcink.net/index.php?showtopic=4303
2.75m
http://nsfl.jcink.net/index.php?showtopic=3970
3.2m (creative, sure, minimum effort and doubles the media pay)
http://nsfl.jcink.net/index.php?showtopic=3271
1.9m
http://nsfl.jcink.net/index.php?showtopic=4825
1.6m
Are you kidding me? I am all aboard to grade media on a scale. Deduct any words that have nothing to do with the NSFL. I mean, you aren't paid to write about American Idol. I mean, this is a HUGE problem.
Playing Devil's Advocate here:
Ronaldo has shown improvement. Check out his older stuff. Why not keep paying him if he shows that he's trying to get better?
And hell, I made a literal pancake, took a picture, and got paid for it. It took me forever, because I suck at writing with pancakes. But how in all honesty is someone supposed to grade a damn pancake?
And let's go back to the real problem....the graders. How can a guy grade himself: http://nsfl.jcink.net/index.php?showtopic=4539
Also there are rules against gaming the automatic system. They just don't get enforced often....cause graders:
Quote:Penalties will be applied to those taking advantage of the automatic system, penalties will not be applied to those who have low skill or are just starting out.
Taking advantage of the automatic system entails deliberately submitting work that is below one's ability with the intention of being able to receive money with minimal effort. This includes but is not limited to veteran creators submitting subpar work and newer creators who deliberately don't try to improve over the course of a few weeks in order to maintain a low level of expended effort.
All penalties will be handled on a case by case basis.