(01-21-2021, 05:10 AM)Raven Wrote: With the new sim coming out I wish we could get more indepth data available to us from the sim transfer team to get a bit of an understanding of how big of an impact attributes make now. (But it's all being kept very hush hush so team with transfer sim team members have the leg up when the new sim drops #conspiricy).

(01-21-2021, 02:59 AM)j00 Wrote: NOTE: I understand that it is a new sim so there will be a lot of unanswered questions and speculations. This part is mostly opinion, so don't feel like I'm lobbying for these changes be made.

In essentially every game in existence, powergaming exists, so I'm sure it exists here. It is my opinion and personal philosophy that the powergamers of any given game are the ones that the game should be balanced around, as they are the ones most likely to break / solve its systems. Thus, all balance concerns, etc. should be done with them at the forefront of consideration.

My experiments with the player builder seems to show that essentially any given position and archetype needs roughly ~1200 TPE to fully max out its stats and grab all traits. The balancing act of setting the base and caps of each attribute seems pretty well done.

I would think that for the majority of [active] players, they wish to make a character that will see as much success as the sim and their TPE gaining efforts allow. However, it is very difficult to do so with a closed-box view of the simulation. Given that most of us (?) do not have access to the game, the people involved with simming (or people who own the game) potentially have an incredible edge, as they have the opportunity to gain insight as to how certain stats perform for certain positions, and so on.

The best way to alleviate this, I feel, would be to keep a "Behind The Sim" page or section somewhere in the Rookie Guide, which shares as much knowledge as possible on how the sim works under the hood. This would include things like certain stat breakpoints (71 endurance?), importance of stats per position, relevant analytical data, and so on. I'm aware that the "Simmer's Corner" section of the forum exists, but much of its information looks outdated, and the information that does exist is extremely vague. Last posts were made in 2018?

(01-21-2021, 07:35 AM)Swanty Wrote:

(01-21-2021, 05:10 AM)Raven Wrote: With the new sim coming out I wish we could get more indepth data available to us from the sim transfer team to get a bit of an understanding of how big of an impact attributes make now. (But it's all being kept very hush hush so team with transfer sim team members have the leg up when the new sim drops #conspiricy).

Not sure if that last point was sarcasm, but if not, it's pretty unfair. It would take a shitty kind of person to use undisclosed information that was gleaned from redesigning the game to give their team an advantage. I can say with confidence that Pat, slate and I do not fall into that category.

Much as it might pain my Berlin GMs or teammates (but it wouldn't anyway, because they are decent people), the desire to improve the game and make it more fun for everyone outweighs my desire to make my particular team win more. JPach asked us to essentially take an oath to this effect, and I take that seriously.

Regarding your first point, I get that we had a few years worth of testing studies that users like Mori and Steg had put together, analysing the best attributes for given positions. I hope we end up with some other publicly available studies like that, notwithstanding that testing to the same accuracy is virtually impossible now.

In the meantime, the stickied threads in the Sim Transfer Central subforum contain what I believe is an exhaustive list of every single in-game effect that an attribute has, along with an indication as to how important they are to that game function.

When you were a GM, you didn't know that Hands was one of the most important attributes for a pass blocking OL. Now you do. So I like to think that players have a clearer picture than ever which attributes to prioritise depending on which sorts of things they want their player to be good at.

I'm open to hearing suggestions as to what more could have been provided without dumping the line by line game code.

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@j00, the feedback you've provided is super useful and I think the league needs to review what published information is now outdated as a result of the sim migration. Apologies if this is the first you're hearing about the info in the sim transfer subforum. I will try and push from my side to get the pertinent information published in the rookie section so that it's way more visible than it currently is.

(01-21-2021, 08:26 AM)Punter715 Wrote:

(01-21-2021, 05:10 AM)Raven Wrote: With the new sim coming out I wish we could get more indepth data available to us from the sim transfer team to get a bit of an understanding of how big of an impact attributes make now. (But it's all being kept very hush hush so team with transfer sim team members have the leg up when the new sim drops #conspiricy).

Even if this is a joke (and I really hope it is), what are you doing even saying this kind of stuff in a new user's media? It's really nice of you to set up the Sim Transfer Team as some sort of unscrupulous group of people that would use their knowledge to simply better themselves. This is so shitty of you to suggest, even if you are joking.

(01-21-2021, 05:10 AM)Raven Wrote: #4 most of those jobs already get PT passes to use instead of having to write a PT. Again I feel people need to put in the work to actaully earn TPE and not just buy their way to it.