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*Comparing Defensive Ends since S25 - JuOSu - 08-21-2021
Sadly, the new sim has ultimately fucked over Defensive Ends and Defensive Tackles, as I talk about quite regularly. I am still hopeful this gets fixed but at this point I am not too hopeful.
Comparing my stats from the first two seasons to now is just sad, despite all that extra TPE.
That being said, since you can basically not compare yourself to the all time greats anymore, I figured I would compare myself to my peers, to see how I was doing it.
Why S25? Well, it's when my player started in the majors. This is just data I collected for myself, but figured I would share it. If your player started before S25 or after S25, obviously that will affect your data but I figure it was still interesting for some people.
So here are the lists:
Tackles:
T. Egghands 302
S. Goku 285
M. Toblerone 280
A. Montain 267
J. Cho 256
I. Blackstone 256
T. Wrecks 256
V. Hayes 255
M. Karpaasi 235
M. VonPebbles 222
S. Ryeu 210
R. Crowder 200
E. Slayer 195
K. Kane-Maika'i 186
L. Taylor 185
S. Claxton 184
A. Ranger 167
R. Eagle 166
D. Jaxson 148
L. Noble Jr. 143
B. Van Sanzo 129
X. Jaxon-Waxon 129
B. Beanman 116
J. Kearse 115
N. Alexander 109
S. Ocewilder 100
M. Brando 99
A. Heights 94
S. Roes 93
T. Jeffrey 85
M. Waialiki 81
A. Warthol 79
A. Eller 73
E. Lover 73
R. Arrow Jr. 69
D. Jackson 61
L. Bass 55
G. Goodman 54
O. Sloan 52
T. Om 52
Mongo 52
A. Ruschmann 50
G. Fisher 48
W. Stephens 47
3. Jeffrey 46
M. Hole 45
S. Vassallo 45
C. Isbest 45
R. Rucker 41
D. Frank 41
B. McMullet 39
L. Dreyar 30
B. Boucher 21
L. Dreams 19
J. Garciaparra 14
I. Sanchez 8
Tackles for loss:
I. Blackstone 51
J. Cho 48
T. Wrecks 46
S. Goku 45
E. Slayer 43
M. Toblerone 42
M. VonPebbles 41
R. Crowder 39
T. Egghands 38
L. Noble Jr. 37
R. Eagle 36
A. Montain 35
V. Hayes 35
A. Ranger 34
N. Alexander 32
S. Ocewilder 32
S. Ryeu 31
J. Kearse 30
S. Claxton 28
A. Eller 26
B. Van Sanzo 24
M. Karpaasi 23
L. Taylor 18
D. Jackson 18
K. Kane-Maika'i 17
S. Roes 17
M. Waialiki 17
T. Om 15
R. Rucker 15
B. McMullet 15
G. Goodman 14
M. Hole 14
X. Jaxon-Waxon 13
T. Jeffrey 13
C. Isbest 13
D. Jaxson 12
L. Bass 12
A. Heights 11
G. Fisher 11
M. Brando 9
A. Ruschmann 9
W. Stephens 9
B. Beanman 8
A. Warthol 8
R. Arrow Jr. 8
S. Vassallo 8
E. Lover 5
O. Sloan 5
3. Jeffrey 4
B. Boucher 3
L. Dreams 3
J. Garciaparra 2
D. Frank 1
L. Dreyar 1
I. Sanchez 1
Mongo 0
Forced fumbles:
T. Wrecks 12
M. VonPebbles 10
T. Egghands 10
R. Eagle 10
J. Cho 9
M. Toblerone 9
L. Taylor 9
K. Kane-Maika'i 9
S. Goku 8
R. Crowder 8
V. Hayes 8
E. Slayer 7
A. Ranger 7
B. Van Sanzo 7
M. Karpaasi 7
S. Ryeu 6
D. Jaxson 6
B. Beanman 5
A. Montain 4
S. Claxton 4
M. Waialiki 4
I. Blackstone 3
D. Jackson 3
T. Om 3
X. Jaxon-Waxon 3
M. Brando 3
O. Sloan 3
L. Noble Jr. 2
J. Kearse 2
C. Isbest 2
N. Alexander 1
S. Ocewilder 1
R. Rucker 1
M. Hole 1
L. Bass 1
W. Stephens 1
A. Warthol 1
E. Lover 1
3. Jeffrey 1
L. Dreyar 1
Fumbles recovered:
D. Jaxson 9
M. VonPebbles 5
T. Egghands 5
J. Cho 5
M. Toblerone 5
R. Crowder 5
V. Hayes 5
K. Kane-Maika'i 4
S. Goku 4
B. Van Sanzo 4
B. Beanman 4
R. Eagle 3
E. Slayer 3
A. Montain 3
L. Noble Jr. 3
T. Wrecks 2
A. Ranger 2
S. Ryeu 2
M. Brando 2
M. Karpaasi 1
M. Waialiki 1
D. Jackson 1
X. Jaxon-Waxon 1
O. Sloan 1
J. Kearse 1
S. Ocewilder 1
M. Hole 1
L. Bass 1
3. Jeffrey 1
S. Roes 1
T. Jeffrey 1
A. Heights 1
Sacks:
S. Goku 50
A. Montain 50
M. Toblerone 47
K. Kane-Maika'i 47
M. VonPebbles 46
J. Cho 46
B. Van Sanzo 45
L. Taylor 45
T. Egghands 44
R. Crowder 44
I. Blackstone 44
V. Hayes 41
S. Ryeu 41
T. Wrecks 40
E. Slayer 37
R. Eagle 36
S. Claxton 35
A. Ranger 34
D. Jaxson 33
B. Beanman 27
M. Karpaasi 27
X. Jaxon-Waxon 23
J. Kearse 17
S. Ocewilder 17
L. Noble Jr. 16
M. Waialiki 16
N. Alexander 14
O. Sloan 13
A. Eller 13
M. Brando 11
T. Jeffrey 11
S. Roes 10
T. Om 9
R. Arrow Jr. 9
C. Isbest 8
E. Lover 7
G. Goodman 7
A. Ruschmann 7
M. Hole 6
L. Bass 6
3. Jeffrey 6
W. Stephens 6
G. Fisher 6
J. Garciaparra 6
D. Jackson 5
R. Rucker 5
A. Warthol 4
L. Dreyar 4
S. Vassallo 4
D. Frank 4
A. Heights 3
B. McMullet 3
Mongo 3
L. Dreams 2
I. Sanchez 2
B. Boucher 1
Safeties:
E. Slayer 4
S. Ryeu 3
L. Noble Jr. 3
S. Goku 2
T. Egghands 2
B. Beanman 2
M. Waialiki 2
M. Brando 2
A. Montain 1
M. Toblerone 1
M. VonPebbles 1
J. Cho 1
B. Van Sanzo 1
L. Taylor 1
V. Hayes 1
T. Wrecks 1
R. Eagle 1
S. Claxton 1
D. Jaxson 1
A. Eller 1
T. Om 1
C. Isbest 1
G. Goodman 1
L. Dreams 1
Touchdowns:
M. VonPebbles 1
K. Kane-Maika'i 1
For my own stats, I am fairly happy with this and feel slightly better about my career so far. For tackles, I am currently third on this list. For tackles for losses I am currently sixth, despite just having one this season. For forced fumbles I am tied for fifth. For fumbles recovered I am tied for second. For sacks I am now third as well.
Overall, this is a pretty solid ranking for me.
I also wanted to see how my DE colleague on NOLA is doing, the amazing Ranger. Ranger ranks 17th in tackles, 14th for tackles for loss, tied for 12th in forced fumbles, tied for 16th in fumbles recovered, 18th in sacks. Also amazing really!
RE: Comparing Defensive Ends since S25 - Frostbite - 08-21-2021
@Naosu Goatku
RE: Comparing Defensive Ends since S25 - Big Edd - 08-21-2021
Do dtackles
RE: Comparing Defensive Ends since S25 - Mooty99 - 08-22-2021
Egghands is a GOAT
RE: Comparing Defensive Ends since S25 - Pat - 08-22-2021
So I've heard it thrown around a few times that the new sim hurt DE a bunch, but no one ahs really said why exactly. When you compare the position as a whole pre and post sim switch, Defensive Ends went from being tackle and TFL focused to much better pass rushers. Heck, going back a few seasons pre-switch, you would see one, sometimes two, DE get double digit sacks in a season (a lot of times no DE would break 10 in a season) as opposed to now where it is commonplace to see multiple DE getting 12+ sacks in a season.
I think the belief that somehow they're worse comes down to a few things: 1) not every team runs a four man front anymore, and when DE are put more on the interior is changes their impact on the game and 2) the league is much much much more of a pass-happy league now, meaning that there are just less chances for TFL in general - for reference, in S22 the lowest rushing attempts by a team was 344. That would have been good enough for 8th most in S30. Arizona led the league with 437 rushing attempts this season, and in S22 there would have been 6 out of the 12 teams that had more carries than that.
Do DE stats look different? Of course. I can understand that being a bit of a system shock when their stats were pretty static for 26 seasons. But now instead of being the big, nasty run stuffers that get lots of tackles and TFL, they've shifted into more pass rushers that get sacks and force fumbles. Different doesn't mean worse.
RE: Comparing Defensive Ends since S25 - Thiath - 08-22-2021
Man I really coulda been something huh
RE: Comparing Defensive Ends since S25 - Pat - 08-22-2021
(08-22-2021, 10:16 AM)Thiath Wrote: Man I really coulda been something huh
...has the T. in Etrigan T. Slayer always stood for, "the"??
Man I kind of hope not. I always thought it made him sound like regal or something, like he could throw, "Esquire" after it and it would work.
RE: Comparing Defensive Ends since S25 - Asked Madden - 08-22-2021
I don't think DE was ever a flashy position by any means outside of maybe the first few seasons where it seemed almost broken.
I'm not sure if it's anecdotal as it's my one outlier season but the season of the sim switch seemed to make DE get much better stats, which led me to believe it was about to become a more enjoyable position to play. Alas that didn't happen and my player is back to 2 or 3 games a season with 0 stats despite being fully capped.
Now I'm not sure if this was down to adjusting blitz percentages the season after sim switch or (more likely) its because I've gone from having I high earning DE across from me to a shirt filler this last few seasons
RE: Comparing Defensive Ends since S25 - Asked Madden - 08-22-2021
Either way, good incite @JuOSu it's nice to see I'm not as shit as I thought I'd been