+- International Simulation Football League (https://forums.sim-football.com)
+-- Forum: Community (https://forums.sim-football.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=5)
+--- Forum: Media (https://forums.sim-football.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=37)
+---- Forum: Graded Articles (https://forums.sim-football.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=38)
+---- Thread: *Every Hall of Famer, Reviewed (Part 1) (/showthread.php?tid=52385)
*Every Hall of Famer, Reviewed (Part 1) - ztarwarz - 08-26-2024
There are well over 100 players currently in the ISFL Hall of Fame, and this should only grow season after season as more players are inducted. I wanted to begin a new project, going over each and every person in the Hall, eventually getting to present day, exploring my thoughts and going over each and every player to enter that hallowed institution.
Let's start at the beginning, the first ballot to let players in, S10.
IAN BAVITZ
OCO (S1 - S8)LB, S
Unanimous Inductee? YES
-------------
3x Ultimus Champion (S4, S5, S6)
-------------
AWARDS
1x Breakout Player of the Year (S6)
1x Defensive Back of the Year (S7)
1x Defensive Player of the Year (S7)
6x Pro Bowler (S1, S3, S4, S5, S6, S7)
-------------
Important Records
SEASON RECORDS
#11 Season DEF Int (S7 - 8.00)
-------------
POSTSEASON CAREER RECORDS
#1 Career DEF Sack (15.00)
-------------
POSTSEASON SEASON RECORDS
#3 Season DEF Sack (S6 - 4.00)
#3 Season DEF Sack (S7 - 4.00)
Overall Statline: 732 tackles, 15 TFLs, 70 Sacks, 51 PDs, 21 INTs
Bavitz spent his first 5 seasons as an LB and the last 3 as a Safety, and it's definitely his performance as a Safety that draws the eye. Over his 3 seasons at Safety, he got 16 picks, almost enough to reach the top 50 at the position over a mere 42 games. In S6 and S7, he got 14 picks and ran away with a positional excellency award and a DPOY.
Side note, it seems very weird to give Breakout Player to a guy who had been a Pro Bowler for 3 straight seasons, but I can't deny that his S6 was a massive improvement over any season he had prior.
I do have a couple caveats about Bavitz, none of which are whether he deserves the Hall of Fame spot. First off, back in the days of 6 and 8 teams, it was remarkably easy to get a pro bowl spot just due to how small and watered down the league was; none of Bavitz's Pro Bowl LB seasons are that impressive to me with around 100 tackles, low double digit sacks (in S3, even, he made the pro bowl despite getting only 8 sacks in a season where 8 other LBs got more and got lucky that the distribution heavily favored the NSFC), and not a ton of turnovers to add onto the pile. The other big caveat is that Bavitz does not have a particularly good statline. Playing for only 8 years in 14 game seasons (and clearly being on the way out in his last one) means that there's not a single major statistic that Bavitz ranks inside the top 100 in all time, coming closest in Sacks and Picks. The other really notable thing is that I'm not sure there's another player who got quite as fortunate with PD:INT ratio. Over 40% of Bavitz's PDs were INTs, and there's probably a league universe not too dissimilar from ours where he misses the hall entirely due to, say, something more like 25% of his PDs being INTs. That's all academic though.
S6 and S7 are the crowning accomplishments of Bavitz's Hall of Fame career by quite a ways, and despite the entire rest of his career resting in the realm of Good-Not-Great, there's no question in my mind that he belongs in the Hall.
KING BRONKO
AZ (S1 - S8)
QB
Unanimous Inductee? NO
-------------
3x Ultimus Champion (S1, S2, S3)
-------------
AWARDS
1x Performance of the Year (S2)
5x Pro Bowler (S2, S3, S4, S5, S7)
-------------
Important Records
CAREER RECORDS
#24 Career Pass TD (205.00)
-------------
SEASON RECORDS
#21 Season Pass Avg (S5 - 8.25)
#7 Season Pass TD (S5 - 44.00)
#22 Season Pass Pct (S8 - 0.68)
-------------
GAME RECORDS
#8 Game Pass TD (S2W10 - 6.00)
#8 Game Pass TD (S4W2 - 6.00)
#8 Game Pass TD (S5W4 - 6.00)
-------------
POSTSEASON CAREER RECORDS
#24 Career Pass Yds (1938.00)
#17 Career Pass Int (7.00)
#21 Career Pass Att (284.00)
-------------
POSTSEASON GAME RECORDS
#4 Game Pass TD (S3W16 - 4.00)
#9 Game Pass Int (S2W16 - 3.00)
#11 Game Pass Rat (S1W16 - 134.58)
#13 Game Pass Pct (S1W16 - 0.80)
Overall Statline: 28,590 yards, 205 TDs, 92 INTs, 7.25 y/a, 89.40 passer rating
Bronko was a Wide Receiver for the first season of his career, but I don't believe his 400 yards and 3 touchdowns over that season had anything to do with his admittance to the Hall of Fame. Something interesting is that Bronko was one of only 2 people to get in on the first ballot of the ISFL Hall of Fame despite never being the best player at his position over the course of his career. Granted, as a QB, that's a position you can be in and waltz into the Hall of Fame in the real NFL regardless, so Bronko comes by it honestly. And it's not like Bronko was bad, far from it! He's still far up in all of the volume stats despite playing QB for only 7 seasons: 38th in yardage, 25th in TDs, and only 37th in picks. He was also startlingly efficient for being merely the 3rd best QB of his generation in the old sim, only really suffering from a low completion percentage (sub 60%, outside the top 50), and buoying that with a top 20 yards per attempt stat of 7.25. So he was great, and one of the best QBs of his generation. But was he truly Hall of Fame caliber? I'm not quite as sure; he topped out as being the 2nd best QB in the league a few times, he's significantly worse than the other Hall of Fame QBs from his generation, and he doesn't really have any great feathers in his cap; he was the QB for 3 of the most dominant teams in league history, winning 2 rings in the process, but while he has nothing to do with the asterisks attached to each of those teams, he also wasn't really elevating those teams in the process.
Due to how the league has progressed since the first few seasons of the ISFL, King Bronko feels like one of, if not the single worst QB in the Hall, and there's a significant distance between him and the vast majority of QBs that have made it. Just to take his own team, Arizona's had 4 straight QBs that I'd say are all better than Bronko, sometimes by a lot, and one of those QBs isn't in the Hall, not counting the one who just retired. He's the 3rd best QB of a generation that probably only deserved 2 QBs in the Hall.
Bavitz and Bronko were the only 2 players let in on the S10 ballot. S11 also had only 2 entries, but the quality of these two was quite a ways higher than the previous duo.
MIKE BOSS
OCO (S1 - S9)
QB
Unanimous Inductee? YES
-------------
3x Ultimus Champion (S4, S5, S6)
-------------
AWARDS
3x Offensive Player of the Year (S3, S4, S6)
5x Quarterback of the Year (S3, S4, S5, S6, S8)
3x Most Outstanding Player (S3, S4, S6)
3x Most Valuable Player (S4, S5, S6)
3x Performance of the Year (S4, S6, S7)
8x Pro Bowler (S2, S3, S4, S5, S6, S7, S8, S9)
-------------
Important Records
CAREER RECORDS
#2 Career Pass Yds (42278.00)
#3 Career Pass Avg (7.83)
#3 Career Pass TD (292.00)
#3 Career Pass Int (131.00)
#16 Career Pass Rat (92.81)
#6 Career Pass Cmp (3251.00)
#5 Career Pass Att (5399.00)
-------------
SEASON RECORDS
#7 Season Pass Yds (S5 - 5545.00)
#8 Season Pass Yds (S6 - 5516.00)
#11 Season Pass Yds (S4 - 5318.00)
#17 Season Pass Yds (S9 - 5187.00)
#9 Season Pass Avg (S5 - 8.58)
#10 Season Pass Avg (S6 - 8.58)
#13 Season Pass TD (S5 - 41.00)
#13 Season Pass TD (S6 - 41.00)
#18 Season Pass TD (S7 - 40.00)
#22 Season Pass Rat (S6 - 103.79)
-------------
GAME RECORDS
#5 Game Pass Yds (S5W12 - 522.00)
#9 Game Pass Yds (S5W5 - 507.00)
#11 Game Pass Yds (S4W5 - 504.00)
#12 Game Pass Yds (S5W3 - 502.00)
#14 Game Pass Yds (S6W10 - 496.00)
#16 Game Pass Yds (S6W6 - 486.00)
#19 Game Pass Yds (S5W8 - 483.00)
#22 Game Pass Yds (S6W14 - 479.00)
#10 Game Pass Avg (S5W3 - 14.76)
#1 Game Pass TD (S6W6 - 8.00)
#3 Game Pass TD (S7W3 - 7.00)
#8 Game Pass TD (S4W12 - 6.00)
#8 Game Pass TD (S5W8 - 6.00)
#1 Game Pass Int (S1W1 - 6.00)
#6 Game Pass Int (S5W2 - 5.00)
#3 Game Pass Att (S7W14 - 68.00)
-------------
POSTSEASON CAREER RECORDS
#2 Career Pass Yds (4172.00)
#3 Career Pass TD (24.00)
#1 Career Pass Int (14.00)
#2 Career Pass Cmp (326.00)
#2 Career Pass Att (606.00)
-------------
POSTSEASON SEASON RECORDS
#11 Season Pass Yds (S7 - 829.00)
#18 Season Pass Yds (S6 - 793.00)
#12 Season Pass TD (S4 - 6.00)
#8 Season Pass Int (S1 - 4.00)
#17 Season Pass Cmp (S5 - 64.00)
#24 Season Pass Att (S6 - 103.00)
-------------
POSTSEASON GAME RECORDS
#2 Game Pass Yds (S7W15 - 484.00)
#3 Game Pass Yds (S6W16 - 460.00)
#7 Game Pass Yds (S4W16 - 439.00)
#14 Game Pass Avg (S7W15 - 10.52)
#4 Game Pass TD (S7W15 - 4.00)
#6 Game Pass Int (S1W15 - 4.00)
#24 Game Pass Rat (S7W15 - 125.63)
Overall Statline: 42,278 yards, 292 TDs, 131 INTs, 7.83 y/a, 92.81 passer rating
The first two inductees to the ISFL Hall of Fame arguably have not stood the test of time, at least as far as how highly they were regarded. I question a bit whether Bavitz should have been unanimous and I question whether Bronko should have made it at all. These two, starting with Boss, have absolutely stood the test of time, and even more so have only seemed more ridiculous all these years later.
Boss is an outlier in almost everything you look at positively, being top 5 in basically every volume stat you can imagine and not being dethroned from any of them for tens of seasons afterwards. That being said, he was very much Brett Favre-esque in his performances; his playoff statistics are much more muted (to the point where he falls in the bottom half of all playoff QBs in terms of efficiency over the 2nd most playoff attempts), he threw picks like nearly nobody has in league history, and his volume per game was immense, I'm pretty sure he holds the most attempts per game in league history, just over Peak Yeeti players. His passer rating is lower than his volume as a result, though he still holds the 2nd highest Yards per Attempt ever.
These are all tiny nitpicks. The lowest you could possibly rate Mike Boss on a list of QBs in ISFL history without getting insulted for your lack of intelligence is 3rd, and the only two players in that conversation took advantage of a bugged speed stat for one and required heading to an entirely different simulation engine for the other to actually enter that conversation. I think the one actual substantive criticism I have of Boss's career is that he got out to a really slow start, particularly in his rookie season, in the one period in league history where a 1st season true rookie being near the bottom of the league both in performance and volume is actually a black mark on his record, and maybe also the playoff performance being a mixed bag. But in terms of greatness, very few ISFL players come anywhere close to Boss; indeed, in terms of major awards only one player does.
DAN MILLER
SJS (S1 - S7)
COL (S7 - S9)
DT
Unanimous Inductee? YES
-------------
AWARDS
1x Breakout Player of the Year (S3)
2x Defensive Lineman of the Year (S4, S6)
1x Defensive Player of the Year (S4)
1x Performance of the Year (S9)
6x Pro Bowler (S3, S4, S6, S7, S8, S9)
-------------
CAREER RECORDS
#8 Career DEF Sack (132.00)
-------------
SEASON RECORDS
#2 Season DEF Sack (S3 - 24.00)
#24 Season DEF Sack (S9 - 19.00)
-------------
GAME RECORDS
#1 Game DEF Sack (S9W12 - 9.00)
Overall Statistics: 448 tackles, 17 TFLs, 132 Sacks, 10 FFs, 5 FRs
Miller played for 9 seasons, and had at least 15 sacks in 5 of them. Not even his two major competitors for the title of "Best DT of all time" can compete with that mark, despite each of them playing for more seasons, even if I combined them. I could very easily construct a top 5 DTs list which still wouldn't combine for that 5 seasons with 15 sacks mark. Most of them had other contributions and were in much more difficult circumstances than the early ISFL for getting sacks, but that doesn't make the stats he did get any less ridiculous.
As far as DTs are concerned, he's 21st in tackles, a pitiful T-57th in TFLs, T-16th in FF, and T-14th in FRs; his fellow GOAT candidates are all near the top spots for those categories. He also has more sacks than anyone else at the position by a ridiculous 17, with 132 in total. Miller only did one thing truly great, but that one thing was the most important thing.
There's an argument that Dan Miller was robbed of, at minimum, 1 DLotY if not a DPOY in S3. The player who actually won those awards was now disgraced Jayce Tuck, whose user never admitted to rigging the sim, but due to all the Multis he was actually piloting, cannot truly be cleared of that charge. That being said, Tuck's ability to get 32 sacks that season, along with the ability of two other players nowhere near as high up on the all time lists as Tuck or Miller got 23 and 22 sacks themselves, speak to just how weak the offensive line was in the first few seasons of the ISFL. As such, as mentioned above, this was maybe the easiest time in league history to get sacks. Most of the worst OL seasons in ISFL history took place in the first 3 seasons, especially S3. As such, there's a bit of an asterisk on Miller's gargantuan sack totals, maybe enough to knock him down from the pedestal of Greatest DT despite his sack record. But even if I disregarded Miller's sack total in S3, the 2nd highest total ever only surpassed by Tuck's sim breaking amount, he'd still (likely) hold the sack record for the position, despite playing significantly less games than anyone else in contention for that title. There should be no argument whatsoever that Miller deserved the Unanimous Hall of Fame induction.
Finally for this part, the 4 players inducted on the S12 ballot.
ANTOINE DELACOUR
BAL (S1 - S10)
CB
Unanimous Inductee? NO
-------------
1x Ultimus Champion (S10)
-------------
AWARDS
1x Defensive Player of the Year (S6)
1x Defensive Back of the Year (S6)
8x Pro Bowler (S2, S3, S4, S5, S6, S7, S8, S9)
-------------
Important Records
CAREER RECORDS
#16 Career DEF Int (35.00)
#25 Career DEF TD (6.00)
#10 Career ST PRYds (2088.00)
#8 Career ST PR_TD (4.00)
#10 Career ST PR (229.00)
-------------
SEASON RECORDS
#21 Season ST PRYds (S3 - 429.00)
-------------
POSTSEASON CAREER RECORDS
#20 Career ST PR (11.00)
-------------
POSTSEASON SEASON RECORDS
#16 Season ST PRYds (S3 - 82.00)
#11 Season ST PR (S3 - 8.00)
-------------
POSTSEASON GAME RECORDS
#11 Game ST PR (S3W16 - 5.00)
Overall Statistics: 729 Tackles, 176 PDs, 35 INTs, 6 TDs
Delacour feels like a decent step back from the previous 2 inductees, but it's not like he was a poor player by any metric. Even as Pass Deflections have skyrocketed by comparison in the new sim, he still remains top 50 overall in that statistic, and while INTs have not skyrocketed in the new sim, it's still quite impressive to be top 20 after nearly 50 seasons of play. He's 40th overall in PDs for a cornerback, and T-8th for CBs in picks. His DPOY season, while not particularly standout, is decently impressive especially for the time period, and I have no questions about whether or not he deserved it that season.
Delacour's other standout is as a prolific punt returner. His 4 punt return TDs place 8th, and I believe he would have been 3rd or so at the time of his retirement. He's not a particularly amazing Cornerback, but he's an average Hall of Fame CB, and that's more than impressive enough.
BRADLEY WESTFIELD
OCO (S1 - S10)
WR
Unanimous Inductee? NO
-------------
3x Ultimus Champion (S4, S5, S6)
-------------
AWARDS
4x Wide Receiver of the Year (S3, S5, S6, S7)
9x Pro Bowler (S1, S2, S3, S4, S5, S6, S7, S8, S9)
-------------
CAREER RECORDS
#8 Career Rec Yds (13457.00)
#6 Career Rec Avg (17.34)
#2 Career Rec TD (109.00)
#23 Career ST KR (227.00)
#3 Career ST PRYds (3075.00)
#1 Career ST KRLng (108.00)
#2 Career ST PR_TD (6.00)
#2 Career ST PR (325.00)
#7 Career AllPurpose Yds (22178.00)
-------------
SEASON RECORDS
#11 Season Rec Yds (S5 - 1756.00)
#5 Season Rec Avg (S5 - 22.23)
#8 Season Rec TD (S7 - 15.00)
#4 Season ST PRYds (S6 - 521.00)
#1 Season ST KRLng (S4 - 108.00)
#1 Season ST KRLng (S7 - 108.00)
#4 Season ST PR (S2 - 48.00)
#6 Season ST PR (S7 - 47.00)
#15 Season ST PR (S3 - 44.00)
#20 Season ST PR (S6 - 42.00)
#19 Season AllPurpose Yds (S3 - 3023.00)
#24 Season AllPurpose Yds (S7 - 2983.00)
-------------
GAME RECORDS
#9 Game Rec TD (S4W4 - 3.00)
#9 Game Rec TD (S6W6 - 3.00)
#9 Game Rec TD (S7W6 - 3.00)
#9 Game Rec TD (S10W1 - 3.00)
#19 Game ST PRYds (S2W4 - 125.00)
#19 Game ST PRYds (S4W12 - 125.00)
#1 Game ST KRLng (S4W6 - 108.00)
#1 Game ST KRLng (S7W2 - 108.00)
#4 Game AllPurpose Yds (S4W12 - 388.00)
#19 Game AllPurpose Yds (S3W8 - 345.00)
#17 Game Points (S6W6 - 24.00)
-------------
POSTSEASON CAREER RECORDS
#12 Career Rec Rec (72.00)
#1 Career Rec Yds (1388.00)
#3 Career Rec Avg (19.28)
#2 Career Rec TD (12.00)
#13 Career ST KR (20.00)
#14 Career ST KRYds (541.00)
#1 Career ST PRYds (478.00)
#1 Career ST PR_TD (1.00)
#1 Career ST PR (39.00)
#23 Career ST PRAvg (12.26)
#1 Career AllPurpose Yds (2407.00)
#4 Career Scrimmage Yds (1388.00)
#14 Career Points (78.00)
-------------
POSTSEASON SEASON RECORDS
#23 Season Rec Yds (S5 - 260.00)
#5 Season Rec Avg (S5 - 21.67)
#13 Season Rec Avg (S6 - 19.75)
#17 Season Rec Avg (S7 - 19.45)
#1 Season Rec TD (S4 - 5.00)
#22 Season ST KRYds (S5 - 194.00)
#4 Season ST PRYds (S9 - 123.00)
#5 Season ST PRYds (S5 - 117.00)
#20 Season ST PRYds (S4 - 76.00)
#7 Season ST PRLng (S5 - 72.00)
#10 Season ST PRLng (S9 - 65.00)
#25 Season ST PRLng (S7 - 22.00)
#9 Season ST PRAvg (S9 - 24.60)
#11 Season ST PRAvg (S5 - 23.40)
#5 Season AllPurpose Yds (S5 - 571.00)
#22 Season AllPurpose Yds (S6 - 448.00)
#13 Season Points (S4 - 30.00)
-------------
POSTSEASON GAME RECORDS
#20 Game Rec Yds (S4W16 - 145.00)
#23 Game Rec Yds (S5W16 - 141.00)
#1 Game Rec TD (S4W15 - 3.00)
#11 Game Rec TD (S4W16 - 2.00)
#2 Game ST PRYds (S9W15 - 123.00)
#5 Game ST PRYds (S5W15 - 99.00)
#14 Game ST PRAvg (S5W15 - 24.75)
#15 Game ST PRAvg (S9W15 - 24.60)
#4 Game AllPurpose Yds (S5W15 - 297.00)
#12 Game AllPurpose Yds (S5W16 - 274.00)
#7 Game Points (S4W15 - 18.00)
Overall Statistics: 776 Receptions, 13,457 yards, 109 TDs
Bradley Westfield is special. He is one of only 2 players that I know of who was in the conversation of Greatest Ever Player at his Position to not be unanimous.
And frankly, I can't understand why, with the one possible exception of his user being a voter himself and either voting no or recusing. Even to this day, despite plenty of players with longer careers and many more games played, he's still 8th all time in yards and 2nd in touchdowns. He managed to be the best player at his position 4 times over 10 years, and only one of those times was anyone else in striking distance of him. For 5 seasons in a row, he managed to amass over 1500 yards and 10 touchdowns, in 14 game seasons. Honestly, when a player this good is on the block it's hard not to just let his stats speak for themselves. Maybe one person didn't want to vote Westfield in because he didn't get any OPOY or MVP over the course of his career, but even that would still be a symptom of ISFL Voters being bad.
Besides the oddity behind his induction, he was also quite an accomplished kick returner. The return game has become a bit of a lost or overlooked art; most of the best kick returners were in the old sim and slanted towards the early days, and Westfield was one of the more prolific Punt Returners all time. His other claim to fame is playoff excellence; all these years later, Westfield has the most receiving yards and 2nd most touchdowns of any person in the playoffs, ever. It's hard to say he raised his performance in the process, since he started out so highly, but in general he was a dynamic and impressive playoff performer for most of his career, both on offense and on special teams. One of the greatest Wide Receivers to ever play in this league, if not the single greatest.
HARRIF ERNSTON
AZ (S1 - S10)
LB
Unanimous Induction? NO
-------------
3x Ultimus Champion (S1, S2, S3)
-------------
AWARDS
3x Linebacker of the Year (S2, S4, S5)
1x Defensive Player of the Year (S5)
4x Pro Bowler (S1, S2, S5, S7)
-------------
Important Records
CAREER RECORDS
#20 Career DEF Sack (108.00)
-------------
GAME RECORDS
#9 Game DEF Sack (S1W12 - 4.00)
-------------
POSTSEASON CAREER RECORDS
#10 Career DEF Sack (11.00)
-------------
POSTSEASON SEASON RECORDS
#22 Season DEF Sack (S3 - 3.00)
#22 Season DEF Sack (S4 - 3.00)
-------------
POSTSEASON GAME RECORDS
#1 Game DEF Sack (S4W15 - 3.00)
Overall Statistics: 790 tackles, 45 TFLs, 108 sacks, 102 PDs, 14 INTs, 9 FFs, 6 FRs
It's slightly weird that what remains statistically the greatest defense ever only has a pair of Hall of Famers, but that's what happens when a couple members of it were multis and its best player's user was the guy behind them. Ernston is the standout Hall of Famer from the early Outlaws D, but I doubt that anyone would put him above Jayce Tuck in terms of performance or peak. I do wonder how Ernston missed the Pro Bowl during a year where he led the league in sacks, was good in plenty of other places, and won LBotY. Did that have something to do with the discovery of the cheating? I dunno, I'm sincerely questioning there.
That being said, Ernston's own bona fides are completely without question. 3 LBotY awards (even with 2 of them being ties) and a DPOY is more than enough to get into the Hall, and that's before you get into his status as the 2nd most important part of a defense that destroyed the league for the first 4 seasons. Ernston's not particularly amazing all time, none of his own statistics are amazing, plenty of LBs have managed to win MVPs or at least more than one DPOY in the seasons to follow, but he's one of the best LBs of his generation, and that's more than enough to get into the Hall.
BOSS TWEED
COL (S1 - S6)
YKW (S7 - S10)
RB, LB
Unanimous Induction? NO
-------------
1x Ultimus Champion (S8)
-------------
AWARDS
1x Performance of the Year (S5)
2x Linebacker of the Year (S8, S10)
2x Defensive Player of the Year (S8, S10)
8x Pro Bowler (S2, S3, S4, S5, S7, S8, S9, S10)
-------------
Important Records
SEASON RECORDS
#8 Season Rush Att (S3 - 400.00)
-------------
GAME RECORDS
#20 Game Rush Att (S3W9 - 38.00)
#11 Game DEF FF (S8W8 - 2.00)
#6 Game ST KR (S6W6 - 7.00)
#12 Game ST KRYds (S6W6 - 232.00)
#21 Game ST KRYds (S6W5 - 218.00)
#25 Game ST PR (S3W9 - 6.00)
#3 Game ST PRAvg (S4W7 - 81.00)
#7 Game ST PRAvg (S4W14 - 78.00)
-------------
POSTSEASON SEASON RECORDS
#18 Season DEF PD (S8 - 6.00)
-------------
POSTSEASON GAME RECORDS
#24 Game DEF PD (S8W15 - 4.00)
Overall Statistics: 6151 rushing yards, 3.55 ypc, 23 rushing TDs
155 receptions, 1422 receiving yards, 3 TDs
394 tackles, 4 TFLs, 59 sacks, 46 PDs, 3 INTs, 3 FFs, 3 FRs (note, 3 of his listed 6 came while he was an RB)
...Boss Tweed really, REALLY conflicts me. On one hand, he had quite a nice peak as an LB during the last 4 seasons of his career, with just under 100 tackles and 15 sacks per season. He got a lot of awards. On the other hand...I don't think either of his DPOY seasons are particularly amazing, with his 2nd one in particular feeling really lackluster when compared to a 9 INT CB season or an 8 INT, 2 TD season compared to his own 12 sack, 3 INT season. Also, the first 6 seasons of his career had him at RB, and purely by being an RB in the early ISFL, that means he was absolutely terrible. But worse than that, he was an AVERAGE at best early season RB. He had under 3.5 yards per carry for half of his seasons and only got over 3.75 once, in S6. And S6 was a year where even him finally getting over 4 yards per carry still meant he was at best the 6th best RB that season, in an 8 team league. Tweed got a Pro Bowl berth for a season with 3.35 yards per carry, just barely over 1000 yards, and 4 TDs. I cannot tell how he got to as many pro bowls as he did as an RB.
As an LB, I don't really have any complaints with his positional awards or pro bowls. He was never worse than good over the course of a season, and he was arguably great every single season; his worst season as an LB was still 99 tackles and 15 sacks. But his best seasons weren't actually all that great, even if they got DPOYs, even for the time period, and as a result I feel really conflicted. At bare minimum it's very tough to put a guy in the Hall who spent the first 6 seasons of their 10 season career being an awful RB, at least without a significant step up in their final 4 seasons. Tweed was great enough to waltz into the Hall if he spent an entire career at LB playing the way he did from S7-10, for certain, but to be frank? The other Hall of Famers who have a substandard half of their career were far, far better at their other position than Tweed was at LB. Maybe Tweed makes the Hall, but there's a reason he got the least votes among this group. I, myself, am still extremely conflicted.
RE: Every Hall of Famer, Reviewed (Part 1) - UptownCord - 08-26-2024
Really good article! The only thing not mentioned that I would have liked is to name the user behind the player, just so that those who were not there at the time can learn some more about those who came before.
RE: Every Hall of Famer, Reviewed (Part 1) - ztarwarz - 08-27-2024
(08-26-2024, 06:24 PM)UptownCord Wrote: Really good article! The only thing not mentioned that I would have liked is to name the user behind the player, just so that those who were not there at the time can learn some more about those who came before.On one hand, I get why it would be good to do that, on the other hand I don't really want to At people to say "this guy actually shouldn't have made the Hall", especially those who might have been out of action for years.
Though I suppose listing and not atting is easily possible:
Ian Bavitz, user Molarpistols
King Bronko, user ADwyer87
Mike Boss, user JBLAZE_THE_BOSS
Dan Miller, user 7hawk77
Antoine Delacour, user 37thchamber
Bradley Westfield, user bwestfield
Harrif Ernston, user Valtooken
Boss Tweed, user Pigsnout
RE: *Every Hall of Famer, Reviewed (Part 1) - Bwestfield - 09-30-2024
(08-26-2024, 04:51 PM)ztarwarz Wrote: Bradley Westfield is special. He is one of only 2 players that I know of who was in the conversation of Greatest Ever Player at his Position to not be unanimous.
And frankly, I can't understand why, with the one possible exception of his user being a voter himself and either voting no or recusing.
There was another wide receiver in the voting that wanted to be better than Westfield and even asked me to retire on one or more occasions. That being said, thank you! That was a great write up!
RE: *Every Hall of Famer, Reviewed (Part 1) - ztarwarz - 09-30-2024
(09-30-2024, 05:29 PM)Bwestfield Wrote:Honestly I'm not the most surprised to find out it was something like that, though I am a little disappointed. Glad you enjoyed the writeup!(08-26-2024, 04:51 PM)ztarwarz Wrote: Bradley Westfield is special. He is one of only 2 players that I know of who was in the conversation of Greatest Ever Player at his Position to not be unanimous.
And frankly, I can't understand why, with the one possible exception of his user being a voter himself and either voting no or recusing.
There was another wide receiver in the voting that wanted to be better than Westfield and even asked me to retire on one or more occasions. That being said, thank you! That was a great write up!