Building a fun culture so people want to take minimums to play on your team bad
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(01-13-2020, 12:30 AM)manicmav36 Wrote:I understand the realism argument, but we also need to take into consideration a users level of enjoyment. Is someone makes an OL and hates it, why shouldn't they be allowed to move to WR? It's not hurting anyone. Besides, where do we draw the line on realism? We have multiple FS playing full-time LB right now. You'll never see that in the NFL. Do we add season/career ending injuries, suspensions, and player lockouts? Nobody enjoys those things but they all happen, the first two frequently. Yes. Could you IMAGINE how awful that'd go? lol. The thing is, i get the "OL sucks so i wanna switch" argument. There could be some sort of moratorium of switching in the first season or two from that. You'll know pretty much right away if you hate something i'd think. My issue is usually with the unrealistic player type switch when they're established in the league for lots of seasons. Like when i wanna say it was Gambino that was a DL for like 5 seasons and then just magically became a top QB. That's the stuff we should look at avoiding. Especially now that we have a LOT more players than we used to. Imagine being a 3rd year QB finally seeing they get a chance to start and then losing that spot to some other player from a different position with more TPE that switched to QB so they sit more. I just want to avoid that type of stuff. (01-13-2020, 09:24 PM)JKortesi81 Wrote:Yes. That's why thankfully we pitched that in the bottem and put a 25% tpe penalty on switching to the QB. I don't believe we have seen any QB switches since that was introduced. (01-12-2020, 08:43 PM)HENDRIX 2.0 Wrote:Agreed 100% with this. ItsJustBarry and I tried fighting the good fight way back in ~S5 in regards to the minimum deals.Too bad that he’ll sign a minimum contract
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(This post was last modified: 01-13-2020, 01:48 PM by IsaStarcrossed.)
(01-13-2020, 01:44 PM)Raven Wrote:That's why thankfully we pitched that in the bottem and put a 25% tpe penalty on switching to the QB. I don't believe we have seen any QB switches since that was introduced. I think Dan Wright's swap may have been after that and we see how that has gone so far. 25% movement hurts (01-12-2020, 04:43 PM)HENDRIX 2.0 Wrote:As for position changes, now that the league is very active, I'm an advocate of realistic ones such as LB <-> S, CB <-> S, RB <-> WR, etc. Why not K/P to S? (01-13-2020, 09:48 PM)IsaStarcrossed Wrote:I think Dan Wright's swap may have been after that and we see how that has gone so far. oof yeah shit really hurts, don't think we`ll be seeing it happen much in the future
Sorry everyone, I've been away for a bit, so sorry if you were expecting a response so you could rip into me more.
Anyways, @bex, I'm sorry for the shitstorm that came your way after writing this. I just chose you because of recency bias. I'm sure I could find plenty of examples since I joined the league of other contract hooplah. Never meant to put a target on your back, or the back of NOLA for that matter. As for the rest of the replies, it seems some agree (it's good I'm not alone), and others disagree (it's good that I'm opposed). This article was just an off the top thought, it doesn't mean it was correct nor mistake free. So those that made me think about what I wrote are just as valuable as those who agreed with me. What I'm getting from most people is that yes, you'll take minimum so that the team can bring in more talent on minimum deals. However else you can rationalize it, fine. The gist is that every team wants more actives on it and players are sacrificing fair contract pay to achieve that. And before you forget, I just finished Cameron Taylor's career of taking pretty much only minimum contracts so I completely understand this sentiment. But having grown with this league, I'm not sure I like it anymore. I don't think I have a fix in mind. Raising the cap is a good idea in my mind. Then people might not be afraid of taking minimum if every team has an extra 10 million bucks laying around. I feel eventually the same thing will happen and every team will just put the extra cap into OL "for the good of the team". Raising minimums is a maybe, but not sure it'll pass because as Isa pointed out, higher minimums = less actives on the team. But why even have contracts? Why not everyone just get paid based on their TPE on a year to year basis? As Isa pointed out, 20/20 COL players are already within 1m of minimum. Most teams are near that number. Let's just scrap contracts and set rewards purely on league jobs and TPE... But I feel that wouldn't pass because then teams couldn't manipulate the cap and contracts for their own advantage as they do now. I think a realistic fix is more people setting TPE clauses in their contracts. Eg. player at 415 TPE signs a 3 year extension. 2 million dollar base pay with 1 million dollar bonus for reaching 600 TPE. Something to think about. Anyways, reading everything here has been wicked. And I'm glad people replied. That discussion and passion is what makes the league fun for me. Again, never meant to target anyone on purpose. See you all on the field.
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[div align=center] (01-16-2020, 10:36 AM)CDub2 Wrote:I don't think I have a fix in mind. Raising the cap is a good idea in my mind. Then people might not be afraid of taking minimum if every team has an extra 10 million bucks laying around. I feel eventually the same thing will happen and every team will just put the extra cap into OL "for the good of the team". Awesome thoughts here all around to be honest. The truth is that one of my biggest complaints about this league since I joined is the operation of contracts and the manipulation of the minimum. It certainly is a huge issue for our league and something that should be discussed more often. Hopefully stuff like this can continue to open avenues of dialog so we can come up with a plan or a structure to actually fix the problem at hand while not inhibiting what players enjoy about the league! |
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