Graphics don't add to the story of the league and the site. You can argue for days about which takes more work, or more time, because it is different for everyone. So the league should be more concerned with encouraging quality media than quality graphics. I think that is why graphics have a more attractive pay system.
Alright everyone, here's my take on this situation.
First of all, I'm not going to get into the whole media vs GFX, which is harder, which is easier to "phone in," nonsense. I feel as though that complicates the issue and there isn't one distinct correct answer. Furthermore it is not my prerogative to control how much media pays for their articles, and I will not be changing the pay scale just because media pays a certain dollar amount for a certain word count. Again, there is no simple conversion from GFX to media article, so basing one's pay off the other wouldn't work very well.
If the concern is that not enough money is being earned, I really don't see how $2.6 mil for four pieces isn't already a very high dollar amount (possibly too high). We are however working on alternate ways to make money in GFX, such as bonuses for good work and weekly GFX contests, among other things. This will allow people to make money even if they have already submitted four pieces for the week. Tweaks to the payout for the base four pieces might have to be made depending on how much money is able to be earned for a week's worth of full GFX participation.
Lastly, there is no reason that anybody's creativity should be stifled. One can submit as many GFX as they would like to, they just need to date them for the following week after they've made a post with four GFX. This means that if their creative juices are flowing hard they don't need to stop just because they've hit four pieces.
I hope I've cleared up something here and if there are any concerns please let me know.
(07-14-2017, 11:20 PM)xdave2456 Wrote:Alright everyone, here's my take on this situation.
First of all, I'm not going to get into the whole media vs GFX, which is harder, which is easier to "phone in," nonsense. I feel as though that complicates the issue and there isn't one distinct correct answer. Furthermore it is not my prerogative to control how much media pays for their articles, and I will not be changing the pay scale just because media pays a certain dollar amount for a certain word count. Again, there is no simple conversion from GFX to media article, so basing one's pay off the other wouldn't work very well.
If the concern is that not enough money is being earned, I really don't see how $2.6 mil for four pieces isn't already a very high dollar amount (possibly too high). We are however working on alternate ways to make money in GFX, such as bonuses for good work and weekly GFX contests, among other things. This will allow people to make money even if they have already submitted four pieces for the week. Tweaks to the payout for the base four pieces might have to be made depending on how much money is able to be earned for a week's worth of full GFX participation.
Lastly, there is no reason that anybody's creativity should be stifled. One can submit as many GFX as they would like to, they just need to date them for the following week after they've made a post with four GFX. This means that if their creative juices are flowing hard they don't need to stop just because they've hit four pieces.
I hope I've cleared up something here and if there are any concerns please let me know.
I compared it to media, simply because that's the only other comparison in terms of income during a season. I didn't mean to turn this into a discussion, and I didn't want to turn it into a discussion about how much each makes either.
I don't care about how much each graphic is worth, it was never my point when I brought it up. 650,000 is fine, even in my main post I said maybe take it down to 500,000. This was never meant to be about the pay for each item.
The main issue I have is with the bolded part. Why is that a thing? Why do we have to designate a "full week of GFX participation"? Why does GFX participation need to be something that can be "filled" in a week? Why can't GFX participation just be as much as you want any given week? I just ask that the participation aspect be the same as media participation. There's no limit to length or number of articles you can post in a week.
The last part is a little confusing. If I had 12 sigs ready today, could I post my submissions for 7/16, 7/23, and 7/30 all right now? Would they all get paid out at the same time or would the later dated submissions all be graded later? And what's to stop someone from posting something a couple weeks in advance, then posting another set during that week, when everyone has forgotten about the set posted weeks in advance?
07-15-2017, 08:43 AM (This post was last modified: 07-15-2017, 08:53 AM by Noppadet.)
Cool I was wondering if I could submit another graphic thread early, thanks for letting us know.
I like the current system of both graphics and articles, especially if we can just submit the next week's thing if the creative stuff is flowing. Also maybe graphics should pay a little higher. Looking at weekly point tasks it's pretty obvious that most people prefer doing articles over graphics. Right now the pay encourages people to get out of their comfort zone. Not everyone is a graphics veteran, and I know I sure as hell won't be participating in contests especially if it only pays the winner, but the current system actually made me make a few graphics and I think I did alright with em, so I'd like to continue trying to make things.
(07-15-2017, 12:45 AM)Symmetrik Wrote:The last part is a little confusing. If I had 12 sigs ready today, could I post my submissions for 7/16, 7/23, and 7/30 all right now? Would they all get paid out at the same time or would the later dated submissions all be graded later? And what's to stop someone from posting something a couple weeks in advance, then posting another set during that week, when everyone has forgotten about the set posted weeks in advance?
Let me make this a bit more clear. You are able to submit as far in advance as you would like, but anything not in the present week will not be graded until the listed week begins. So if you were to submit something titled 7/30 tomorrow, it wouldn't be graded until 7/30.
I just wanted to let people know that even though it wouldn't be graded and paid until the listed date, they can still submit as much as they like at once.
We are working hard at GFX trying to work a solution to everybody's issues, we will try to keep everyone in the loop.