Task 5
Back when I was just starting out way out in S18 one of the biggest discussions I remember people at the time having were on the different values of TFL's (or tackles for loss) and Sacks in regard to a Defensive line play. My player was really odd in the fact that it was one that consistently got massive Tackle for loss numbers but usually much less Sacks. It was a quirk at the time that was mostly known for being a difference between defensive tackles and defensive ends. Despite in real life they are switched Defensive ends in the sim get lots of tackles for loss while defensive tackles got lots of sacks. On top of the usual discussion on why defensive line players would never get defensive player of the year or defensive performance of the year awards due to their tackles usually being much lower than other positions on defense. It was argued that Defensive line tackles were worth much more than Linebacker and secondary tackles due to them having to come much closer to the line than those other positions tackles. Being relegated to only getting the Defensive line player of the year award it became hyper-focused on trying to figure out what the relative value of Tackles for loss and sacks were for this award. While it may have started with Defensive line peoples it spread quickly to the linebacker crowd as they also at the time were relegated to their positional award due to how Safties were able to at this time dominate the defense by being able to play at a linebacker position. This debate raged for days even after the awards were given out. Gms revealed that they didn't think tackles for loss were real stats as only sacks seemed to significantly effect wins. For people whose position in the sim and their arguments for these awards relied on Tackles for Loss being a real stat that mattered and should be considered. It culminated in the agreement that it would only be solved by a massive statistical analysis of stats. Now diving into this the important thing to note about both tackles for loss and sacks is that they are tackles that are preformed behind the line of scrimmage. Sacks are tackles for loss on the quarterback while tackles for loss are recorded for traditionally running backs, although its impossible to figure from the index if these tackles for loss came from a pass to a tight end or wide receiver that just happened to track back and get tackled behind the line of scrimmage for a loss of yards. It was then judged to divide Tackles for loss into being about the run game and for sacks to be about the passing game. For the sake of convenience, it was ignored that sacks are usually for more negative yardage than Tackles for loss and that passing on long third downs as well as at the end of the game is more impactful, making sacks inherently more valuable but inconvenient for any relevant statistical review. While to balance this argument not every pass is successful which means that to get a pure statistical argument you'd need to then calculate the passing attempts divided by the complete passes which would then be multiplied by the total yardage gained through passing. This was an extremely deep rabbit hole however so compromises were made for the sake of actually having something done. In the end it was reviewed for the calculations to be all the running yardage of the year for S18 divided by the number of running plays and all the passing yardage divided by the number of passing plays. For S18 this ment 14715 yards on 3521 carries and 34361 yards on 4870 passing attempts. For a final statistical argument for Tackles for loss being worth an impact of 4.17 yards and sacks having an impact of 7.06 yards. It was hoped at the time that this would become the basis for what the Awards committee would update and deliberate on for how to decide the nominations for awards. It was hoped that someone would figure out how to properly attribute a statistical value to change of possession stats like interceptions and Forced fumbles, Fumble recoveries being luck based and not worth measuring. Unfortunately for this budding Linebacker-Defensive line partnership for statistical attribution of stats Safties were soon banned from playing at linebacker in the sim and suddenly linebackers were moved from being second class defensive players to being legitimately valuable star players on defense. Also the guy involved with making the article for this analysis may have had ... a falling out with the league so the effort was quickly abandoned by all involved. It think this became very prevalent this year with the voting for LBoy and DPoy as the differences between Chainbreaker and Domine really came down to how much value an interception and tackles are worth vs sacks TFL's and FF's. I think if people were able to consult the math on the value of these stats as I've described even just TFL's and sacks in this point task that it would have gone to Domine for 3 awards with him picking up Defensive performance of the year to go with linebacker and defensive player. The ignorance of the league on the statistical value of TFL's and sacks I think is the prime reason why Chainbreaker got the awards over Domine that he did.
Back when I was just starting out way out in S18 one of the biggest discussions I remember people at the time having were on the different values of TFL's (or tackles for loss) and Sacks in regard to a Defensive line play. My player was really odd in the fact that it was one that consistently got massive Tackle for loss numbers but usually much less Sacks. It was a quirk at the time that was mostly known for being a difference between defensive tackles and defensive ends. Despite in real life they are switched Defensive ends in the sim get lots of tackles for loss while defensive tackles got lots of sacks. On top of the usual discussion on why defensive line players would never get defensive player of the year or defensive performance of the year awards due to their tackles usually being much lower than other positions on defense. It was argued that Defensive line tackles were worth much more than Linebacker and secondary tackles due to them having to come much closer to the line than those other positions tackles. Being relegated to only getting the Defensive line player of the year award it became hyper-focused on trying to figure out what the relative value of Tackles for loss and sacks were for this award. While it may have started with Defensive line peoples it spread quickly to the linebacker crowd as they also at the time were relegated to their positional award due to how Safties were able to at this time dominate the defense by being able to play at a linebacker position. This debate raged for days even after the awards were given out. Gms revealed that they didn't think tackles for loss were real stats as only sacks seemed to significantly effect wins. For people whose position in the sim and their arguments for these awards relied on Tackles for Loss being a real stat that mattered and should be considered. It culminated in the agreement that it would only be solved by a massive statistical analysis of stats. Now diving into this the important thing to note about both tackles for loss and sacks is that they are tackles that are preformed behind the line of scrimmage. Sacks are tackles for loss on the quarterback while tackles for loss are recorded for traditionally running backs, although its impossible to figure from the index if these tackles for loss came from a pass to a tight end or wide receiver that just happened to track back and get tackled behind the line of scrimmage for a loss of yards. It was then judged to divide Tackles for loss into being about the run game and for sacks to be about the passing game. For the sake of convenience, it was ignored that sacks are usually for more negative yardage than Tackles for loss and that passing on long third downs as well as at the end of the game is more impactful, making sacks inherently more valuable but inconvenient for any relevant statistical review. While to balance this argument not every pass is successful which means that to get a pure statistical argument you'd need to then calculate the passing attempts divided by the complete passes which would then be multiplied by the total yardage gained through passing. This was an extremely deep rabbit hole however so compromises were made for the sake of actually having something done. In the end it was reviewed for the calculations to be all the running yardage of the year for S18 divided by the number of running plays and all the passing yardage divided by the number of passing plays. For S18 this ment 14715 yards on 3521 carries and 34361 yards on 4870 passing attempts. For a final statistical argument for Tackles for loss being worth an impact of 4.17 yards and sacks having an impact of 7.06 yards. It was hoped at the time that this would become the basis for what the Awards committee would update and deliberate on for how to decide the nominations for awards. It was hoped that someone would figure out how to properly attribute a statistical value to change of possession stats like interceptions and Forced fumbles, Fumble recoveries being luck based and not worth measuring. Unfortunately for this budding Linebacker-Defensive line partnership for statistical attribution of stats Safties were soon banned from playing at linebacker in the sim and suddenly linebackers were moved from being second class defensive players to being legitimately valuable star players on defense. Also the guy involved with making the article for this analysis may have had ... a falling out with the league so the effort was quickly abandoned by all involved. It think this became very prevalent this year with the voting for LBoy and DPoy as the differences between Chainbreaker and Domine really came down to how much value an interception and tackles are worth vs sacks TFL's and FF's. I think if people were able to consult the math on the value of these stats as I've described even just TFL's and sacks in this point task that it would have gone to Domine for 3 awards with him picking up Defensive performance of the year to go with linebacker and defensive player. The ignorance of the league on the statistical value of TFL's and sacks I think is the prime reason why Chainbreaker got the awards over Domine that he did.