(07-17-2021, 08:55 AM)Bayley Wrote:(07-17-2021, 05:55 AM)infinitempg Wrote:I stand with this wholeheartedly. I indeed knew as well. I think this is about enjoying a fucking league. Jiggly created a new persona, who the hell cares? We are all creating our own persona as a username. Does it sting or hurt to know you've been lied to, sure, to Moris point, I absolutely understand your side. My thing is, we're all catfishing. Who knows if anything we say is true to the next person? I think that Jiggly was always going to have their name follow. I do think that it was hurting their ability enjoy a fun thing we do to literally escape real life. If you're mad about this, think to yourself, was anything malicious? Was Jiggly as taka hurting your ability to enjoy the league? Because, Jiggly being Jiggly was hurting their ability to have fun in the league.(07-17-2021, 01:47 AM)Jimi64 Wrote:(07-17-2021, 01:42 AM)negs Wrote: So people knew and still let Philly and London draft knowing well the situation without disclosing to either GM pair? Cmon now
@124715 and @infinitempg , can you explain to me why you kept Jiggly's identity a secret? I don't know the others that well but I hold y'all to a bit of a higher esteem.
If people were unsure about the legality of this, couldn't it have been cleared with HO in like a day? Why did y'all keep this hidden for an entire season?
It's frankly infuriating to think both of you had a part in this scheme and let it go on.
Because (a) in my professional opinion it *was* legal and (b) I believe Jiggly deserved a fresh start. If HO wishes to punish me for protecting a user who quite frankly would never have been allowed to recreate peacefully under their old username, so be it.
I stand by this decision fully. I still don’t think YTB should have been punished either. As far as I’m concerned in the interpretation of the old rules (prior to this past rules summit) essentially deactivating your old account and starting new was legal. The definition of multi required active accounts and to some extent, active players on both accounts. And so, I advised Jiggly that it was in fact legal, and to not do anything stupid.
Jiggly was my first GM. While we certainly have been on opposite sides of many league issues, they are at least one user who does not deserve the amount of ridicule they get. And that’s why I did what I did.
To @nunccoepi , if Jiggly didn't come out, it was coming out in the way of a punishment thread from HO for the rookie tasks.
Thats all, go bash me or whatever now. My DMs are open. I'm sorry this happened, Jiggly. I really am.
So you and I had a really long and deep conversation about this whole thing the other day, so this obviously isn't directed at you since you already know my feelings (thanks for the talk by the way, it was really great to get your view).
I've seen this idea of, "we're all anonymous, so what's the difference" thrown out a few times, and while I think it comes from the right place and I get the meaning, to me it's the single biggest reason why these second accounts are wrong. Unless we choose to be, we are all anonymous and that means that you are relying on others to be truthful to a strong degree. To be a member of a community like this you have to believe that others are acting in good faith. That is required by both sides.
If someone with possibly a bad reputation wants to come back and make a new name for themselves they should in 99.999% of situations be allowed to do so, and should be allowed to do it without being harassed or bullied or anything like that. With that, though, the other users here have the right to make that choice for themselves. If you hide who you are you are taking that choice away from them, and that's not fair. Maybe I put too much faith in this league and community, but I truly believe that if Jiggly came back on his old account and simply said, "Hey I know that in the past I may have made some bad decisions, but I just want to come back and lie low and have fun playing fake football" that someone would have given him a chance. All it takes is one person.
Jiggly, if you're reading this, I want you to know that I and the rest of our team hold no ill will towards you. I appreciate you coming forward and hope at some point you can come back in earnest and get that shot at redemption.
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