07-18-2021, 09:55 PM
(This post was last modified: 07-18-2021, 09:56 PM by iStegosauruz.)
(07-18-2021, 09:18 PM)Oles Wrote:(07-17-2021, 11:01 PM)iStegosauruz Wrote: That all being said, blanket allowing second accounts with no repercussions is a dangerous thing to do. The biggest glaring issue that I had is that with the ability to create a new anonymous account came the detachment of reality from a lot of situations. The league can already be a toxic place as is and allowing someone to say or do whatever they like and then pull a ripcord and be an entirely new person only increases the toxicity in my mind. In the status quo - or a status quo where anonymous second accounts aren't allowed - you have to pick and choose your words to some extent because the reputation you build follows you. If that didn't happen there's less of an incentive to pick and choose your words. Thats a negative for the league in my mind.
The second issue I had with allowing anonymous second accounts was the issue that it creates with potential "revenge" accounts. We'd all hate it if someone created an account, strategically tried to get a team to draft them, and then retired immediately to fuck that team over out of spite for something done previously. There's a way for allowing it to be weaponized thats also a negative for the league.
I'm gonna be completely honest, I think both of these issues are pretty BS. We already have a toxic league in which people constantly say things anonymously, and then you have users encouraging it through a confidential article, but a alt account is where the line is drawn? What was done over the past few days was much worse than anything that has happened with this alt accounts, except for the zamir alt account issue.
The second issue is what i feel like is the most bs though. These revenge account scenarios seem to just be an issue that's been made up to villainize the alt account debate. Someone can already use a vpn, work for a month or two and then retire as revenge and you may never know as long as they covered their tracks well. Banning alt accounts doesn't mean anything for this issue if someone can be smart enough to keep their tracks covered, and i'm pretty sure someone going out of their way to hurt a team in this manner is going to cover their bases. Could also be as simple as outlawing the action, but not alt accounts. Outlaw revenge accounts, make it so that it's the same as a multi punishment, and then if a revenge account is found to have hurt a team make it so that they receive a draft pick of similar value in the next draft class. So if the player is a high 2nd round pick, then you compensate that team with a pick in the 2nd. There are plenty of ways to separate the actions and allow alt accounts while banning revenge accounts.
On the first issue - with that logic to me what you're saying is that if we can't fix EVERYTHING with an issue we shouldn't fix any part of it. We're never going to cure toxicity completely but we can sure take steps to close routes it can occur through or that might increase it.
On the second I don't disagree that there are potential other avenues we could take to solve the issue. The league management during my time here has been notoriously against compensation picks. I'm not personally totally against them but I think it would require a complete overhaul of some of the ways we do things. Even the scenario you laid out with providing an equivalent compensation pick doesn't entirely rectify the impact to the team that a revenge account can have. A season - especially early in a player's career - can be worth upwards of 150TPE. If a pick flames out getting one down the road is better than not getting one at all however it can cause issues with a team's timeline for their build. Its not a 1:1: solution.
On the VPN aspect of it once again I don't disagree - if someone wants to do something hard enough they'll find a way to make it work. Once again, similar to the previous comment in my first paragraph above, just because there's still ways for something to occur doesn't mean we shouldn't restrict it to make it harder though.