Proposal to HO Punishment Process

[Beaver]

This thread is for the decision of the proposal.  We do not need your side of the argument to make a decision.  If we need evidence from HO, we will ask someone else instead.  You can submit your arguments via an appeal thread after the decision is made.

Lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooo

[Oles]

This thread is for the decision of the proposal.  We do not need your side of the argument to make a decision.  If we need evidence from HO, we will ask someone else instead.  You can submit your arguments via an appeal thread after the decision is made.

Tags me in his original post saying that I'm lying, proceeds to say some sort of incoherent statement that I guess is trying to mock HO for making a mistake, which I guess is the mature thing to do in this situation

[kckolbe]

Tags me in his original post saying that I'm lying, proceeds to say some sort of incoherent statement that I guess is trying to mock HO for making a mistake, which I guess is the mature thing to do in this situation

I'm really trying to get through, and since a straightforward approach failed, I went with satire.

I accuse you of lying because you claimed it was expected for HO to contact members, yet because you voted without seeing my side of the story, that means you either knew I wasn't contacted, or you thought I was contacted and you voted without bothering to read my side of the story. Therefore, you either lied about it being policy to contact and get the side first, or you lied about reading all the evidence before voting. There genuinely is no way you could be telling the truth about this unless you did not vote, which I hope demonstrates the reasoning behind seeing HO votes.

[Symmetrik]

I want HO to not be ALONE in the final decision.  In my proposal they would all still have votes.

They already aren't alone, the appeals board makes the recommendation

[kckolbe]

They already aren't alone, the appeals board makes the recommendation

But currently HO is alone in voting. The recommendation is just a recommendation, and legally has no more weight than other other member of the site making an argument.

[Oles]

I'm really trying to get through, and since a straightforward approach failed, I went with satire. 

I accuse you of lying because you claimed it was expected for HO to contact members, yet because you voted without seeing my side of the story, that means you either knew I wasn't contacted, or you thought I was contacted and you voted without bothering to read my side of the story.  Therefore, you either lied about it being policy to contact and get the side first, or you lied about reading all the evidence before voting.  There genuinely is no way you could be telling the truth about this unless you did not vote, which I hope demonstrates the reasoning behind seeing HO votes.

So, your side of the story means you're automatically innocent in my mind? That's not how it works at all. I was under the assumption that you had been contacted, and the info that was given was the same info that I had talked with Slm about. The issues with communication was an error, but we had more ways than one to get a side of the story. It is also possible that I just didn't know that you weren't contacted while working under the assumption that you were and the info was present during our discussions. I also have other stuff to worry about than someone who wants to skirt every possible gray area. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have work to do since I am a commissioner, something you wouldn't know about. If you would like to have a civil discussion on the matter instead of just constantly calling me a liar and thinking that you must be right I'm more than happy to discuss ways of making HO better in the future, but for now I have work that's more important than petty squabbling.

[DeathOnReddit]

Man I'm glad I'm not HO anymore. Good luck losers

[Symmetrik]

But currently HO is alone in voting.  The recommendation is just a recommendation, and legally has no more weight than other other member of the site making an argument.

The recommendation is their vote. What, you want another vote where the appeals board will suddenly vote against their own proposal?

[Renrut]

I bet you’re fun at parties.

[kckolbe]

The recommendation is their vote. What, you want another vote where the appeals board will suddenly vote against their own proposal?

Bear in mind that HO outnumbers the appeals board and that neither entity is likely to be unanimous in their initial finding. I can't say you don't make a fair point, but it is also unlikely HO will vote against their own proposal, either. Bias affects everyone, after all.