(04-16-2020, 08:15 PM)PMoney Wrote:iSteg has spoiled us with his simming
Technically the simming for this was done by Timeconsumer.
04-16-2020, 11:45 PM
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(04-16-2020, 10:40 PM)infinitempg Wrote:....what if we just cap qb speed at 79 To some extent thats one of the things Timeconsumer and I are wrestling with. I'll quote his response about it from earlier because I think he explains it well. (04-16-2020, 07:43 PM)timeconsumer Wrote:Loophole might not be the best word. It's just really interesting the difference between 75/79/80 and it's worth exploring further to see if there is a significant difference between a max pocket passer at 75 speed and a max game manager at 79 speed or if they are roughly equal. If equal I'd say change the archetype max to 79 to ensure anybody who creates as a game manager is setup for success. The whole point behind the archetype is to make it a decent rusher and decent passer and 80 speed ain't that (sans box), is 79 ideal or is it too much? IDK yet. Essentially, if the a pocket passer at 75spd and game manager at 79spd are equivalent there's an argument to cap the speed at 79 so its less confusing, etc. Its something him and I are both interested in exploring further, this was just a preliminary look at some data he found. (04-16-2020, 10:45 PM)iStegosauruz Wrote:To some extent thats one of the thing Timeconsumer and I are wrestling with. I'll quote his response about it from earlier because I think he explains it well. Wolfie is a pocket passer with 75 speed and he does surprisingly well as a runner even with the box unchecked. I think he's got the two highest YPC over the last two seasons. Either way, sim is dumb What exactly was the strat used for spread, spread/bal, and bal? Was it spread 30 or something? (04-17-2020, 12:47 AM)infinitempg Wrote:Wolfie is a pocket passer with 75 speed and he does surprisingly well as a runner even with the box unchecked. I think he's got the two highest YPC over the last two seasons.Spread 70 on long downs and balance 30 on short downs with a spread 30 for under 2 mins ahead and spread 100 on under 2 behind iirc Also, it is worth noting that the control set of tests is within a couple percent of what we were testing for that game.
04-17-2020, 10:18 AM
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(04-17-2020, 12:47 AM)infinitempg Wrote:Wolfie is a pocket passer with 75 speed and he does surprisingly well as a runner even with the box unchecked. I think he's got the two highest YPC over the last two seasons. Read the whole damn article infinite! a 75 speed runner is far more effective without the box, they suck ass with it. However it's at 80 speed that starts to change. Yeah if you look at our results under OCO's balanced/spread strat you can see that a passer in the 75-79 speed range without the runner box actually runs as well or better than an 89 or 90 speed runner with the box checked. Interestingly while the 90 speed "mobile" QB did have a higher win rate than the 79 speed non-mobile it wasn't due to rushing efficiency, it appeared to come from an increase to passer efficiency. Hank Winchester (S25 - Current) - Scrub
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(04-17-2020, 09:18 AM)timeconsumer Wrote:Read the whole damn article infinite! a 75 speed runner is far more effective without the box, they suck ass with it. However it's at 80 speed that starts to change. reading is for losers Even with that you've got 4-5 YPC but Wolfie's going over 7 YPC over the whole season, which is weird to me. Also weird that speed suddenly affects passing stats above 90
04-17-2020, 10:27 AM
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(04-17-2020, 11:23 AM)infinitempg Wrote:reading is for losers Remember I was testing every game vs NOLA so his stats aren't going to be fabulous. Also the speed appears to have a passer rating correlation with the box and without at the 79/80 speed area as well, and does show increases to 90 and possibly beyond. It's pretty consistent with the rushing movements. Hank Winchester (S25 - Current) - Scrub
Angus Winchester (S1-S12) - 4x Ultimus Champ - #2 Career Sacks - Hall of Fame
Cooter Bigsby (S14-S23) - S23 Ultimus Champ - #4 Career Yards - #4 Career TDs - 2x MVP - Hall of Fame
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