*TIL playing Defensive Tackle makes you ineligible for Defensive Tackle awards

[sakrosankt]

RIP Boogy

[CLG Rampage]

Defensive Interior / Edge Rusher / Inside Linebacker awards, please. Don't make 3-4 OLBs compete with 4-3 MLBs.

No

[Eldorian]

NT would be considered the DT spot, DTs are DEs IIRC. Wolverine Studios no do football gud tbh

TIL playing left defensive tackle or right defensive tackle is considered playing defensive end.

That's not on Wolverine Studios.

It's unfortunate and stupid that we have to do that. Ideally I'd rather have 3-4/3-3-5 DTs treated as a flex position for awards, but that's on GMs to make those rules. For awards committee, if we treated RDT and LDT in 3-4/3-3-5 as DT spots only however, it'd be more problematic than the current rule to treat them as DE as any team that ran one of those formations in at least 41% of weeks would disqualify their DEs from their positional awards. Overall though I hopr the DDSPF 21 defensive packages should help eliminate this problem, but the awards process remains far from perfect.

GOAT TANK

Yeah, this is making me not want to ever play DT now. Playing DT making you ineligible for DT awards is the dumbest thing I have heard.

[qWest]

Defensive Interior / Edge Rusher / Inside Linebacker awards, please. Don't make 3-4 OLBs compete with 4-3 MLBs.

How would this even begin to work for DDSPF? And it doesn't even solve the issue of a player being disqualified for an award category because he played 50% in one position and 50% in another (not based on name but based on function in the sim).

[Eldorian]

[slate]

Defensive Interior / Edge Rusher / Inside Linebacker awards, please. Don't make 3-4 OLBs compete with 4-3 MLBs.

How would this even begin to work for DDSPF?

All DT and 3-4 / 3-3-5 DE count as Defensive Interior. 4-3 and Nickel DE, and 3-4/3-3-5 OLB count as Edge Rusher. All other LB (ILB and 4-3 OLB) count as Inside Linebacker for the purposes of awards voting/eligibility.

And it doesn't even solve the issue of a player being disqualified for an award category because he played 50% in one position and 50% in another (not based on name but based on function in the sim).

No, but that can also be resolved in the new sim because you can extract the number of plays run from each defensive formation for each team. Combined with depth charts you can make a reasonable estimate of how often someone was lined up at which position.

Not to spoil too much (and the GM guide has already been posted, so ask your GMs if you want to know more), but I also believe that most teams will not switch between defensive fronts as often in the new sim, which causes issues here as the only two defenses anyone used in 16 were 3-4 and Nickel.

[qWest]

#17 and #53 are Portland's RDT and LDT in 3-4.
Consistently on every play those players line up and engage with the Offensive Tackle each play. Is it clunky and not immediately intuitive to consider these positions, which are labeled as "DT," as DEs? Yes. Is it the right way that awards committee should be regarding and measuring performance and eligibility for those positions? Yes.

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Defensive Interior / Edge Rusher / Inside Linebacker awards, please. Don't make 3-4 OLBs compete with 4-3 MLBs.

How would this even begin to work for DDSPF?

All DT and 3-4 / 3-3-5 DE count as Defensive Interior. 4-3 and Nickel DE, and 3-4/3-3-5 OLB count as Edge Rusher. All other LB (ILB and 4-3 OLB) count as Inside Linebacker for the purposes of awards voting/eligibility.

And it doesn't even solve the issue of a player being disqualified for an award category because he played 50% in one position and 50% in another (not based on name but based on function in the sim).

No, but that can also be resolved in the new sim because you can extract the number of plays run from each defensive formation for each team. Combined with depth charts you can make a reasonable estimate of how often someone was lined up at which position.

Not to spoil too much (and the GM guide has already been posted, so ask your GMs if you want to know more), but I also believe that most teams will not switch between defensive fronts as often in the new sim, which causes issues here as the only two defenses anyone used in 16 were 3-4 and Nickel.

Yeah no I read through the guide, and I pointed out earlier that I'm hoping for the new defensive schemes to essentially fix the issue here. I don't think the EDGE Rusher category you listed there would really work out though. Unless it's changed and DEs could really compete with stats that OLBs get. DL is in a tough place to simulate man, even IRL Awards like Pro Bowl/All-Star don't make sense consistently with the way they recognize these players idk

[Eldorian]

I want to make clear one thing, I'm not even mad I didn't get nominated.

I'm mad at this point that I couldn't even become nominated even though I played a full season in the position my player was created for. And I played in the same scheme the last 2 seasons but that didn't disqualify me? And this is the first I have ever even heard about this being a rule - and from talking to others, they didn't realize it either.

What was so different about this season? From what I understood, the ones nominated this season were roughly the only ones who could even be eligible? That alone should scream that there's a problem there.

[slate]

Unless it's changed and DEs could really compete with stats that OLBs get.

:eyes:

[Eldorian]

#17 and #53 are Portland's RDT and LDT in 3-4.
Consistently on every play those players line up and engage with the Offensive Tackle each play. Is it clunky and not immediately intuitive to consider these positions, which are labeled as "DT," as DEs? Yes. Is it the right way that awards committee should be regarding and measuring performance and eligibility for those positions? Yes.

4. Positional eligibility for award- A player is only eligible for awards at a position that they actually played during the season, not necessarily their listed position. A Player's position in terms of eligibility for awards will be decided by the following:
      1. The FL position will be considered the "Flex Position," and is a position unique to itself.
      2. A player must be listed as the starter at a specific position on the depth chart at least 60% (3/5) of the season.
      3. A player must NOT play outside their listed position during any time throughout the season, UNLESS they play in the FL position OR the FB
            position (not the designation).

As the title of my post says... TIL that playing Defensive Tackle does not make you eligible for Defensive Tackle awards. This is like not letting a 3rd baseman be eligible for getting a gold glove because his team shifts him to the right side of the field for pull hitters.

LDT and RDT are not RDE and LDE.