Sim Access

Rindiee · 09-18-2017, 11:31 PM

(09-18-2017, 07:53 PM)Sweetwater Wrote:Please realize, the sim was not designed for this type of league. It was designed for the online leagues. @ErMurazor told me in my interview with him that the devs have all but said "fuck off" in response to our questions. They don't want to sell their old version because everything has moved to the new one for them. They have no reason to support the old one.

It doesn't make sense from an economic standpoint as to why they'd deny money but whatever lol.

Sweetwater · 09-18-2017, 11:34 PM

(09-18-2017, 11:31 PM)Rindiee Wrote:It doesn't make sense from an economic standpoint as to why they'd deny money but whatever lol.

It does when they can just make you buy the most recent version at full price. Which is what the majority of their userbase does.

Bzerkap · 09-18-2017, 11:41 PM

(09-18-2017, 10:31 PM)Rindiee Wrote:It doesn't make sense from an economic standpoint as to why they'd deny money but whatever lol.

If you've ever talked to the devs you'd understand they don't always make rational decisions

ErMurazor · 09-18-2017, 11:53 PM

(09-18-2017, 09:31 PM)Rindiee Wrote:It doesn't make sense from an economic standpoint as to why they'd deny money but whatever lol.

The sim is designed for a league full of GMs where every individual owns the sim. We have a league with hundreds of people that could technically play off of one copy. We're not a market they really like...

theFlock · 09-19-2017, 03:00 AM

(09-18-2017, 10:21 PM)Bzerkap Wrote:Ok so I'll give a bit of background to this whole thing first.

I had been using the demo version of the sim the whole time because I did not know about the season limit. I assumed that the online mode was the full mode that you paid for but you could do single player stuff on your PC just fine with the demo. Considering we had just simmed two whole seasons without a single message to me via the program otherwise, I think that was a reasonable assumption. Now a few days after the draft one of our members encountered the two season limit. Not a single person on our team knew about that, so again I believe it was a reasonable assumption. So for the duration of the preseason I was trying to figure out a solution. I tried a crack that didn't work, I emailed Wolverine Studios and they only replied to me once. So we were stuck just having to gameplan by feel. That's totally our fault.

No one else is cheating or doing anything malicious. That should be obvious.

Now, we just ended a game that was hard fought, and really close. All Wraiths players knew about this situation and so obviously emotions were high. @Archon decided to write about it seeing that it was unfair. This is true, it is unfair but it's no one's fault but our own, if you want to get specific then it's no one's fault but mine. So there really isn't a requirement for HO or anyone to fix it. The way the initial statement was written might have come off wrong but it's pretty clear that he's just asking for help, that's all.

To @ADwyer87 and the rest of the Outlaws. I'm sorry. It may seem like Archon was calling you out as cheaters but that's not the case at all. He just knows that Er owns the sim, and I guess because no one on the Wraiths had it or knew about the 2 season demo issue, he assumed that Er might be the only one. He was not calling you cheaters, just saying it was unfair, which we established before is technically true. Once again, sorry.

Don't apologize for another persons actions. It's exactly what he did in this post, and exactly what he did on the discord. You told me i didn't know what I was talking about, meanwhile I read everything I needed to.

kcolbe has taken Archon right under his wing, as other of them love to talk about the Outlaws with no reason whatsoever.

4D Chess · 09-19-2017, 07:46 AM

(09-19-2017, 02:00 AM)theFlock Wrote:Don't apologize for another persons actions. It's exactly what he did in this post, and exactly what he did on the discord. You told me i didn't know what I was talking about, meanwhile I read everything I needed to.

kcolbe has taken Archon right under his wing, as other of them love to talk about the Outlaws with no reason whatsoever.

Reread the posts dude, kckolbe is respectful and kind to the Outlaws. He's been consistently turning away from his old trolling ways, imo he hasn't even been a slight issue since about a quarter of the way through S2. He has totally turned it around and I think the league needs to be a little kinder to the dude as he's a true workhorse. Not ripping you Flock, just trying to defend Kc when I feel he wasn't in the wrong Smile

To archon's post: Dude, I can't tell if this is character trolling or not because the line is always so blurry with you. If you are actually insinuating that the Outlaws are cheating by having a copy of a sim I'm completely dumbfounded. Plenty of teams have access to the sim and I truly can't believe your GMs didn't think this through. Why don't you get a gofundme started and we can all help you buy a copy of '18 so you guys can get a '16 key as well and then the Wraiths can find ANOTHER excuse.

Archon · 09-19-2017, 07:52 AM

(09-19-2017, 05:46 AM)4D Chess Wrote:To archon's post: Dude, I can't tell if this is character trolling or not because the line is always so blurry with you. If you are actually insinuating that the Outlaws are cheating by having a copy of a sim I'm completely dumbfounded. Plenty of teams have access to the sim and I truly can't believe your GMs didn't think this through. Why don't you get a gofundme started and we can all help you buy a copy of '18 so you guys can get a '16 key as well and then the Wraiths can find ANOTHER excuse.

You missed a few points, but I like you so I'll lay them out.

The "buy 18 so you can get 16" option was not known to anyone on our team until after this thread was created and someone said it was possible. Nobody on our team is unable to afford this option, we just were not aware it existed since it was never shared with us.

About the Outlaws, I don't care about your team, sorry to disappoint. The entire point of this thread was to get us a copy of the sim, which appears to have been successful. So sorry if I won't be invited to your annual Christmas party but I just wanted a solution, which we achieved.

Rindiee · 09-19-2017, 08:03 AM

(09-18-2017, 08:53 PM)ErMurazor Wrote:The sim is designed for a league full of GMs where every individual owns the sim. We have a league with hundreds of people that could technically play off of one copy. We're not a market they really like...

Fair enough

4D Chess · 09-19-2017, 08:44 AM

(09-19-2017, 06:52 AM)Archon Wrote:You missed a few points, but I like you so I'll lay them out.

The "buy 18 so you can get 16" option was not known to anyone on our team until after this thread was created and someone said it was possible. Nobody on our team is unable to afford this option, we just were not aware it existed since it was never shared with us.

About the Outlaws, I don't care about your team, sorry to disappoint. The entire point of this thread was to get us a copy of the sim, which appears to have been successful. So sorry if I won't be invited to your annual Christmas party but I just wanted a solution, which we achieved.

How DARE you assume we have an annual Christmas party. The Arizona WOKElaws have a "Non denomenational Winter Celebration"

Asshole.

Archon · 09-19-2017, 08:47 AM

(09-19-2017, 06:44 AM)4D Chess Wrote:How DARE you assume we have an annual Christmas party. The Arizona WOKElaws have a "Non denomenational Winter Celebration"

Asshole.

Well now I'm sad if I'm going to miss it.