(10-22-2018, 07:08 AM)Official DT Wrote:It's not that tough of a job tbh lol
@bovovovo sounds like we have a new volunteer!
(10-22-2018, 07:08 AM)Official DT Wrote:It's not that tough of a job tbh lol @bovovovo sounds like we have a new volunteer!
I guess you can thank for me that. I was the Updater to spot you double claiming since I was hired as the Philly Updater 3 weeks ago.
As a lot of people already said in this thread: Labeling your updates better would have avoided this whole mess. Each I time I saw you fucking up I messaged Bovo so he can handle it. I gotta say after the 3rd time I was pretty pissed how this could happen and thought that you might just not be fucking up but deliberately trying to sneak in some more TPE. In my 2 IRL years as an Updater in various sim leagues I have never seen such a thing happen. Player Page Update Page [img=0x0]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/800790374204571721/834234186051092480/SELICH.png[/img] (10-22-2018, 01:59 AM)Official DT Wrote:To TB: Not sure how you do your updates as I haven't peeked at them but I label mine. Again not sure if you do or not, but I usually have my update thread pulled up when grabbing things to update my guy with. Why would it be the updater's fault? Seriously, I don't get the point of punishing the people who are willing to take 1-2 hours out of their weekend. Maybe if it was a reoccurring issue with the updater forgetting to audit the updates. In this case, what strikes me as odd is how he did it multiple times, after A) being warned by his updater B) being warned by his GM and then C) doing it again. It's not the updater's fault that said player's updates are messy. And it's probably on the updater for missing it the first time. But every single other time is on YoungTB because he was aware of the issue yet persisted to break the rules.
Ah yes, the famous Process.
(10-22-2018, 04:38 AM)kckolbe Wrote:Oh, so double after the void. Plus 6 million. Not gonna lie, I think that is too harsh. Given that this was the third instance in under a month, I get it. this is the only thing in this entire thread that has surprised me Kolbe thinking the HO is being too harsh. (10-22-2018, 04:13 AM)DeathOnReddit Wrote:Were not going to punish updaters for your mistakes. ...Did I ever say I wanted this to happen? All I'm saying is that I'm not the only one at fault here. I don't want the updaters who didn't see the double-claim to be punished, but it's stupid to only punish me for making a mistake as you put it, especially considering this punishment is as harsh as can be for said mistake. [OPTION]Height: 5'10
[OPTION]Weight: 230
[OPTION]Birthplace: Pahokee, FL
[OPTION]Number: 28
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[OPTION]Regular Season Stats
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[OPTION]DSFL
[OPTION]SA S8: 1222 Yards | 264 Att | 15 TDs || 81 Yards | 14 Rec | 0 TDs
[OPTION]SA S9: 1665 Yards | 331 Att | 13 TDs || 92 Yards | 13 Rec | 0 TDs
[OPTION]NSFL
[OPTION]PHI S10: 1902 Yards | 452 Att | 7 TDs || 33 Yards | 6 Rec | 0 TDs
[OPTION]PHI S11: 1571 Yards | 365 Att | 15 TDs || 290 Yards | 52 Rec | 2 TDs
[OPTION]PHI S12: 1555 Yards | 375 Att | 15 TDs || 237 Yards | 30 Rec | 4 TDs
[OPTION]PHI S13: 1510 Yards | 318 Att | 14 TDs || 366 Yards | 39 Rec | 4 TDs
[OPTION]BAL S14: 1578 Yards | 368 Att | 16 TDs || 479 Yards | 62 Rec | 2 TDs
[OPTION]BAL S15: 1577 Yards | 350 Att | 14 TDs || 450 Yards | 59 Rec | 4 TDs
[OPTION]BAL S16: 1172 Yards | 260 Att | 13 TDs || 237 Yards | 31 Rec | 2 TDs
[OPTION]PHI S17: 897 Yards | 215 Att | 5 TDs || 212 Yards | 35 Rec | 2 TDs
[OPTION]CHI S18: 825 Yards | 196 Att | 4 TDs || 752 Yards | 61 Rec | 1 TDs
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[OPTION]Playoff Stats
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[OPTION]DSFL
[OPTION]SA S8: 145 Yards | 25 Att | 0 TDs || 4 Yards | 2 Catches | 0 TDs
[OPTION]SA S9: 71 Yards | 18 Att | 1 TDs || 15 Yards | 3 Catches | 0 TDs
[OPTION]NSFL
[OPTION]PHI S12: 136 Yards | 30 Att | 0 TDs || 27 Yards | 3 Catches | 0 TDs
[OPTION]PHI S13: 93 Yards | 17 Att | 1 TDs || 4 Yards | 1 Catches | 0 TDs
[OPTION]BAL S14: 127 Yards | 25 Att | 2 TDs || 21 Yards | 3 Catches | 0 TDs
[OPTION]BAL S15: 212 Yards | 47 Att | 2 TDS || 64 Yards | 5 Catches | 1 TDs
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[OPTION]Trophy Case/Achievements
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[OPTION]Records:
[OPTION]NSFL Most Rushing Yards In A Single Season (1902) (S10)
[OPTION]NSFL Most Rushing Attempts In A Single Season (452) (S10)
[OPTION]NSFL Most Rushing Yards Of All Time (12587)
[OPTION]NSFL Most Yards From Scrimmage Of All Time (15643)
[OPTION]Awards:
[OPTION]DSFL Offensive Player Of The Year (S8)
[OPTION]DSFL Offensive Player Of The Year (S9)
[OPTION]NSFL Offensive Player Of The Year (S10)
[OPTION]NSFL Offensive Player Of The Year (S13)
[OPTION]NSFL Runningback Of The Year (S12)
[OPTION]NSFL Runningback Of The Year (S13)
[OPTION]NSFL Runningback Of The Year (S14)
[OPTION]NSFL Runningback Of The Year (S15)
[OPTION]NSFL Most Valuable Player (S13)
[OPTION]NSFL Pro Bowl RB (S10)
[OPTION]NSFL Pro Bowl RB (S11)
[OPTION]NSFL Pro Bowl RB (S12)
[OPTION]NSFL Pro Bowl RB (S13)
[OPTION]NSFL Pro Bowl RB (S14)
[OPTION]NSFL Pro Bowl RB (S15)
[OPTION]NSFL Pro Bowl RB (S16)
[OPTION]NSFL Hall of Fame Inductee (S22)
[OPTION]Other:
[OPTION]Drafted 9th Overall In The S8 DSFL Draft To The San Antonio Marshals
[OPTION]Drafted 3rd Overall In The S9 NSFL Draft To The Philadelphia
Liberty
(10-22-2018, 03:15 PM)YoungTB Wrote:...Did I ever say I wanted this to happen? All I'm saying is that I'm not the only one at fault here. I don't want the updaters who didn't see the double-claim to be punished, but it's stupid to only punish me for making a mistake as you put it, especially considering this punishment is as harsh as can be for said mistake. There was only one updater who didn't notice it if I'm reading Bovos post correctly. The other times the updater either warned you or informed Bovo. When you make a "mistake" consistently after being warned multiple times, we have no choice but to punish you for it. (10-22-2018, 06:51 AM)Daybe Wrote:Why would it be the updater's fault? Seriously, I don't get the point of punishing the people who are willing to take 1-2 hours out of their weekend.Let's not fancy it up anymore, they get paid. Just saying they take that time but they are also paid for it. (10-22-2018, 07:00 AM)bovovovo Wrote:I agree with this, I personally don't think you were cheating because if you were you'd be the dumbest cheater ever... I think that I (hopefully) made it clear that if you kept making the same mistake I'd have to go to HO about it and let them do what they do. So I personally don't think you were cheating. Thank you. In short, this is my main point. I never cheated. I thought that the current system would be impossible to cheat with updaters checking through the claims that people make. I guess that I was wrong, as people have told me that oftentimes updaters won't go in depth with the links that people made. This is the reason why this is even a problem in the first place. To be clear, I'm not blaming the updaters for my mistakes. More or less, I'm blaming the current system we have right now. I've heard suggestions of a set template for players to follow for update threads and I think that right now, this a great option and would help both players and updaters immensely. I've also heard that people have been working on a completely automated system for updating, which is obviously a bit more complicated, but if implemented, would make everyone's lives a lot easier. (10-22-2018, 07:00 AM)bovovovo Wrote:The problem is if people realize that they can double-claim stuff and make beneficial mistakes on their updates time after time and never get in trouble, then they could start gaming the system by double claiming things. At worst it'd get caught and nothing happens. At best you get more TPE than you should have. Does that make sense? We have to draw the line somewhere. I understand this, but it's so simple to make this a non-issue and it should have been from the jump. If an updater has any doubt about the claims that people are making, it really doesn't take long to just double check some links. Some update posts are super short, I'm talking maybe four claims. I know updaters have a hard job but I mean come on. The double claiming that we're talking about is exactly this. I believe when you caught on that I double claimed a couple of things in my late September update post, it was all on the same post. The second instance was the same post as well. Why should I even be punished for this if it's so detectable? If you have to draw the line somewhere, how about instead of fining me a whole season's worth of money and a whole week's worth of TPE, make the updating system just a bit easier for both players and updaters by making a template, or by any other method to regulate updates. I can almost guarantee that this type of thing happens a good amount and I sure as hell am not the first person to accidentally double claim. (10-22-2018, 07:00 AM)bovovovo Wrote:But, in all honesty, you are the only person I've ever seen do something like this repeatedly. Double claiming TPE tasks is not some league-wide issue, let alone doing it repeatedly after being alerted about it. I am. But I'm not the first person to double claim TPE. For me, it's pretty easy to do because I'm not as cautious with my update threads as other people are. I didn't think it was this big issue and that I'd be punished for making a couple of mistakes that shouldn't even be affecting my play. To add on to this, I didn't really do this in three straight weeks like it looks like I did. Once I was first notified, I did do it again on accident. But the next week I made sure that all of my claims were correct and legit. I wasn't updated until a week after, when I accidentally put in a bank statement for two ETAPs a day before. Again, I'm not sure how I missed this. But that in particular should be super easy to detect and to get rid of without having it be this huge cheating scandal like it's being made out to be. [OPTION]Height: 5'10
[OPTION]Weight: 230
[OPTION]Birthplace: Pahokee, FL
[OPTION]Number: 28
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[OPTION]Regular Season Stats
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[OPTION]DSFL
[OPTION]SA S8: 1222 Yards | 264 Att | 15 TDs || 81 Yards | 14 Rec | 0 TDs
[OPTION]SA S9: 1665 Yards | 331 Att | 13 TDs || 92 Yards | 13 Rec | 0 TDs
[OPTION]NSFL
[OPTION]PHI S10: 1902 Yards | 452 Att | 7 TDs || 33 Yards | 6 Rec | 0 TDs
[OPTION]PHI S11: 1571 Yards | 365 Att | 15 TDs || 290 Yards | 52 Rec | 2 TDs
[OPTION]PHI S12: 1555 Yards | 375 Att | 15 TDs || 237 Yards | 30 Rec | 4 TDs
[OPTION]PHI S13: 1510 Yards | 318 Att | 14 TDs || 366 Yards | 39 Rec | 4 TDs
[OPTION]BAL S14: 1578 Yards | 368 Att | 16 TDs || 479 Yards | 62 Rec | 2 TDs
[OPTION]BAL S15: 1577 Yards | 350 Att | 14 TDs || 450 Yards | 59 Rec | 4 TDs
[OPTION]BAL S16: 1172 Yards | 260 Att | 13 TDs || 237 Yards | 31 Rec | 2 TDs
[OPTION]PHI S17: 897 Yards | 215 Att | 5 TDs || 212 Yards | 35 Rec | 2 TDs
[OPTION]CHI S18: 825 Yards | 196 Att | 4 TDs || 752 Yards | 61 Rec | 1 TDs
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[OPTION]Playoff Stats
[OPTION]~
[OPTION]DSFL
[OPTION]SA S8: 145 Yards | 25 Att | 0 TDs || 4 Yards | 2 Catches | 0 TDs
[OPTION]SA S9: 71 Yards | 18 Att | 1 TDs || 15 Yards | 3 Catches | 0 TDs
[OPTION]NSFL
[OPTION]PHI S12: 136 Yards | 30 Att | 0 TDs || 27 Yards | 3 Catches | 0 TDs
[OPTION]PHI S13: 93 Yards | 17 Att | 1 TDs || 4 Yards | 1 Catches | 0 TDs
[OPTION]BAL S14: 127 Yards | 25 Att | 2 TDs || 21 Yards | 3 Catches | 0 TDs
[OPTION]BAL S15: 212 Yards | 47 Att | 2 TDS || 64 Yards | 5 Catches | 1 TDs
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[OPTION]Trophy Case/Achievements
[OPTION]~
[OPTION]Records:
[OPTION]NSFL Most Rushing Yards In A Single Season (1902) (S10)
[OPTION]NSFL Most Rushing Attempts In A Single Season (452) (S10)
[OPTION]NSFL Most Rushing Yards Of All Time (12587)
[OPTION]NSFL Most Yards From Scrimmage Of All Time (15643)
[OPTION]Awards:
[OPTION]DSFL Offensive Player Of The Year (S8)
[OPTION]DSFL Offensive Player Of The Year (S9)
[OPTION]NSFL Offensive Player Of The Year (S10)
[OPTION]NSFL Offensive Player Of The Year (S13)
[OPTION]NSFL Runningback Of The Year (S12)
[OPTION]NSFL Runningback Of The Year (S13)
[OPTION]NSFL Runningback Of The Year (S14)
[OPTION]NSFL Runningback Of The Year (S15)
[OPTION]NSFL Most Valuable Player (S13)
[OPTION]NSFL Pro Bowl RB (S10)
[OPTION]NSFL Pro Bowl RB (S11)
[OPTION]NSFL Pro Bowl RB (S12)
[OPTION]NSFL Pro Bowl RB (S13)
[OPTION]NSFL Pro Bowl RB (S14)
[OPTION]NSFL Pro Bowl RB (S15)
[OPTION]NSFL Pro Bowl RB (S16)
[OPTION]NSFL Hall of Fame Inductee (S22)
[OPTION]Other:
[OPTION]Drafted 9th Overall In The S8 DSFL Draft To The San Antonio Marshals
[OPTION]Drafted 3rd Overall In The S9 NSFL Draft To The Philadelphia
Liberty
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