I think this is a good time to remind both the award voters (well, in particular hippo) and this thread’s commenters of @timeconsumer’s golden rule:
don’t be a dick
don’t be a dick
I think this is a good time to remind both the award voters (well, in particular hippo) and this thread’s commenters of @timeconsumer’s golden rule:
don’t be a dick (07-29-2020, 04:11 PM)ADwyer87 Wrote:i dont think thats true. just because every GM has the ABILITY to vote biasedly doesnt mean that they WILL vote biasedly. My point of that post is saying that assuming all GMs will exercise the same bias is historically flawed. having HO representatives can certainly cause issues in an unbalanced way, but I would still argue that removing HO bias isnt going to magically make everyone satisfied with the results of awards voting nowI didn’t assume that every GM would vote in a biased way. I think you’ve misinterpreted my posts. [OPTION]S24 (PHI): 16 GP, 73 tackles, 1 TFL, 2 FF, 3 sacks, 5 INTs, 10 PDs, 2 TDs
[OPTION]S25 (PHI): 16 GP, 67 tackles, 4 INTs, 13 PDs, 1 TD [OPTION]S26 (OCO): 16 GP, 68 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 sack, 2 INTs, 10 PDs [OPTION]S27 (OCO): 16 GP, 116 tackles, 4 INTs, 23 PDs, 1 TD [OPTION]S28 (OCO): 16 GP, 84 tackles, 1 FF, 1 FR, 3 INTs, 20 PDs, 1 TD [OPTION]S29 (OCO): 16 GP, 99 tackles, 3 FF, 1 FR, 5 INTs, 23 PDs, 1 TD [OPTION]============================================================= [OPTION]ISFL Playoff Stats: [OPTION]S23 (PHI): 1 GP, 2 tackles [OPTION]S26 (OCO): 1 GP, 5 tackles, 2 PDs [OPTION]============================================================= [OPTION]Trophies and Achievements: [OPTION]Drafted 35th Overall by Myrtle Beach in the S21 DSFL Draft [OPTION]S21 Ultimini Champion [OPTION]S21 DSFL Pro Bowl Selection [OPTION]S21 DSFL Defensive Back of the Year Nominee [OPTION]Drafted 4th Overall by Philadelphia in the S22 ISFL Draft [OPTION]S23 ISFL Pro Bowl Selection [OPTION]S23 ISFL Cornerback of the Year Nominee [OPTION]S23 ISFL Defensive Performance of the Year Nominee [OPTION]S24 ISFL Pro Bowl Selection [OPTION]S24 ISFL Cornerback of the Year Nominee [OPTION]S26 ISFL Pro Bowl Selection
[OPTION]S26 ISFL Returner of the Year Nominee [OPTION]S29 ISFL Pro Bowl Selection [OPTION]S29 ISFL Cornerback of the Year Nominee [OPTION]============================================================= Player | Update | Wiki | Twitter (07-28-2020, 10:13 PM)Baron1898 Wrote:Not to distract from the godawful NOLA voting, but Crisco legit stole votes from the other three punter nominees. Every single one of them deserved it far more than he did (Powers swept him across the board statistically and Smalls/Sidekick basically did too) and I’m not quite sure why the awards committee insisted on his nomination, or why multiple teams placed him above the other guys. At least bother to look at statistics before voting for awards. Yeah, not going to lie, I was super surprise Smalls wasn't even in the running for punter of the year. I don't necessarily think Smalls should have won, but he wasn't even in the running and the stats say he should have been. [OPTION]Position: K/P
[OPTION]Archetype: Accurate
[OPTION]College: University of South Carolina
[OPTION]Nicknames: The Notorious D.U.G.
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[OPTION] Team History
[OPTION] S19 - Myrtle Beach Buccaneers
[OPTION] S20 - Tijuana Luchadores
[OPTION] S21 to S24 - Yellowknife Wraiths
[OPTION] S25 to S31 - New York Silverbacks
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[OPTION] Regular Season Stats
[OPTION] ---- Kicking Stats ----
[OPTION] S19 - 2 GP, 4 XPM, 5 XPA, 80.0%, 3 FGM, 5 FGA, 60.0%, 41 Long, 13 PTs
[OPTION] S20 - 14 GP, 18 XPM, 20 XPA, 90.0%, 19 FGM 21 FGA, 90.5%, 49 Long, 75 PTs
[OPTION] S21 - 13 GP, 34 XPM, 36 XPA, 94.4%, 17 FGM 21 FGA, 81.0%, 50 Long, 85 PTs
[OPTION] S22 - 13 GP, 43 XPM, 46 XPA, 93.5%, 27 FGM, 28 FGA, 96.4%, 56 Long, 124 PTs
[OPTION] S23 - 16 GP, 38 XPM, 39 XPA, 97.4%, 34 FGM, 36 FGA, 94.4%, 57 Long, 140 PTs
[OPTION] S24 - 16 GP, 39 XPM, 42 XPA, 92.9%, 20 FGM, 20 FGA, 100%, 52 Long, 99 PTs
[OPTION] S25 - 16 GP, 37 XPM, 38 XPA, 97.4%, 30 FGM, 32 FGA, 93.8%, 51 Long, 127 PTs
[OPTION] S26 - 16 GP, 34 XPM, 37 XPA, 91.9%, 25 FGM, 25 FGA, 100%, 47 Long, 109 PTs
[OPTION] S27 - 16 GP, 34 XPM, 34 XPA, 100%, 19 FGM, 22 FGA, 86.4%, 51 Long, 91 PTs
[OPTION] S28 - 16 GP, 33 XPM, 34 XPA, 97.1%, 39 FGM, 42 FGA, 92.9%, 55 Long, 150 Pts
[OPTION] S29 - 16 GP, 50 XPM, 52 XPA, 96.21%, 25 FGM, 33 FGA, 75.9%, 55 Long, 125 Pts
[OPTION] S30 - 16 GP, 46 XPM, 46 XPA, 100%, 24 FGM, 29 FGA, 88.9%, 56 Long, 118 Pts
[OPTION] S31 - 16 GP, 38 XPM, 38 XPA, 100%, 28 FGM, 33 FGA, 84.8%, 56 Long, 122 Pts
[OPTION] ---- Punting Stats ----
[OPTION] S20 - 14 GP, 91 Punts, 4138 Yds, 45.5 Avg, 18 Inside 20, 63 Long
[OPTION] S21 - 13 GP, 78 Punts, 3682 Yds, 47.2 Avg, 7 Inside 20, 71 Long
[OPTION] S22 - 13 GP, 73 Punts, 3383 Yds, 46.3 Avg, 16 Inside 20, 71 Long
[OPTION] S23 - 16 GP, 93 Punts, 4400 Yds, 47.3 Avg, 19 Inside 20, 72 Long
[OPTION] S24 - 16 GP, 95 Punts, 4433 Yds, 46.7 Avg, 18 Inside 20, 72 Long
[OPTION] S25 - 16 GP, 113 Punts, 5337 Yds, 47.2 Avg, 23 Inside 20, 72 Long
[OPTION] S26 - 16 GP, 96 Punts, 4606 Yds, 48 Avg, 15 Inside 20, 73 Long
[OPTION] S27 - 16 GP, 97 Punts, 4472 Yds, 46.1 Avg, 39 Inside 20, 69 Long
[OPTION] S28 - 16 GP, 89 Punts, 4231 Yds, 47.5 Avg, 39 Inside 20, 67 Long
[OPTION] S29 - 16 GP, 76 Punts, 3475 Yds, 45.7 Avg, 31 Inside 20, 68 Long
[OPTION] S30 - 16 GP, 72 Punts, 3341 Yds, 46.4 Avg, 28 Inside 20, 68 Long
[OPTION] S31 - 16 GP, 88 Punts, 4040 Yds, 45.9 Avg, 39 Inside 20, 65 Long
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[OPTION] Playoff Stats
[OPTION] ---- Kicking Stats ----
[OPTION] S19 - 1 GP, 2 XPM, 2 XPA, 100%, 1 FGM, 1 FGA, 100%, 18 Long, 5 PTs
[OPTION] S21 - 3 GP, 6 XPM, 7 XPA, 85.7%, 5 FGM, 5 FGA, 100%, 49 Long, 21 PTs
[OPTION] S22 - 1 GP, 1 XPM, 1 XPA, 100%, 3 FGM, 4 FGA, 75%, 38 Long, 10 PTs
[OPTION] S23 - 2 GP, 6 XPM, 6 XPA, 100%, 3 FGM, 4 FGA, 75%, 57 Long, 15 PTs
[OPTION] S26 - 1 GP, 5 XPM, 5 XPA, 100%, 0 FGM, 0 FGA, 100%, 0 Long, 5 PTs
[OPTION] S28 - 1 GP, 1 XPM, 1 XPA, 100%, 1 FGM, 1 FGA, 100%, 39 Long, 4 PTs
[OPTION] S29 - 3 GP, 10 XPM, 10 XPA, 100%, 9 FGM, 9 FGA, 100%, 51 Long, 37 PTs
[OPTION] S30 - 2 GP, 5 XPM, 5 XPA, 100%, 3 FGM, 3 FGA, 100%, 49 Long, 14 PTs
[OPTION] ---- Punting Stats ----
[OPTION] S21 - 3 GP, 25 Punts, 1150 Yds, 46.0 Avg, 2 Inside 20, 64 Long
[OPTION] S22 - 1 GP, 6 Punts, 247 Yds, 41.2 Avg, 0 Inside 20, 57 Long
[OPTION] S23 - 2 GP, 11 Punts, 493 Yds, 44.8 Avg, 1 Inside 20, 60 Long
[OPTION] S26 - 1 GP, 9 Punts, 422 Yds, 46.9 Avg, 2 Inside 20, 70 Long
[OPTION] S28 - 1 GP, 4 Punts, 163 Yds, 40.8 Avg, 1 Inside 20, 46 Long
[OPTION] S29 - 3 GP, 11 Punts, 489 Yds, 43.2 Avg, 1 Inside 20, 53 Long
[OPTION] S30 - 2 GP, 8 Punts, 391 Yds, 48.9 Avg, 3 Inside 20, 63 Long
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[OPTION] Trophy Case and Awards
[OPTION] 1x Kicker of The Year (S22)
[OPTION] 2x Punter of The Year (S25, S28)
[OPTION] 4x Pro Bowl (S22, S24, S25, S28)
[OPTION] 2x Ultimus Champion (S23, S29)
[OPTION] 2x NSFC Champion (S21, S23)
[OPTION] 1x ASFC Champion (S29)
[OPTION] 2x DSFL OPoTG
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[OPTION] Other Accomplishments
[OPTION] Tied Playoff Field Goal Length Record (57 yards in S23)
[OPTION] Team USA Member (S22, S23, S25, S26)
[OPTION] S24 Charity Tournament Champion (Atlanta Pink Ponies)
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[OPTION]Position: LB/DE
[OPTION]Archetype: Power Rusher Turned Speed Rusher
[OPTION]College: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
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[OPTION] Team History
[OPTION] S7 - Tijuana Luchadores
[OPTION] S8 to S13 - San Jose Sabercats
[OPTION] S14 to S18 - Baltimore Hawks
[OPTION] S19 - Arizona Outlaws
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[OPTION] Regular Season Stats
[OPTION] S7 - Tijuana - 45 Tck, 6 Sacks, 1 TFL, 0 Int, 8 PD, 0 FF, 0 FR
[OPTION] S8 - San Jose - 73 Tck, 2 Sacks, 7 TFL, 0 Int, 6 PD, 0 FF, 0 FR
[OPTION] S9 - San Jose - 88 Tck, 4 Sacks, 2 TFL, 2 Int, 4 PD, 1 FF, 1 FR
[OPTION] S10 - San Jose - 117 Tck, 2 Sacks, 2 TFL, 1 Int, 1 PD, 0 FF, 1 FR
[OPTION] S11 - San Jose - 114 Tck, 5 Sacks, 1 TFL, 0 Int, 5 PD, 2 FF, 1 FR
[OPTION] S12 - San Jose - 40 Tck, 4 Sacks, 9 TFL, 0 Int, 13 PD, 0 FF, 0 FR*
[OPTION] S13 - San Jose - 26 Tck, 1 Sack, 4 TFL, 0 Int, 0 PD, 0 FF, 0 FR*
[OPTION]S14 - Baltimore - 90 Tck, 10 Sacks, 1 TFL, 0 Int, 14 PD, 1 FF, 0 FR
[OPTION]S15 - Baltimore - 96 Tck, 12 Sacks, 1 TFL, 0 Int, 15 PD, 0 FF, 0 FR
[OPTION]S16 - Baltimore - 105 Tck, 10 Sacks, 0 TFL, 0 Int, 16 PD, 2 FF, 2 FR
[OPTION]S17 - Baltimore - 89 Tck, 9 Sacks, 2 TFL, 0 Int, 3 PD, 1 FF, 0 FR
[OPTION]S18 - Baltimore - 85 Tck, 8 Sacks, 0 TFL, 1 Int, 16 PD, 0 FF, 1 FR
[OPTION]S19 - Arizona - 97 Tck, 3 Sacks, 0 TFL, 0 Int, 3 PD, 0 FF, 1 FR
[OPTION] *Season played as DE instead of LB
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[OPTION] Playoff Stats
[OPTION]S7 - Tijuana - 15 Tck, 2 Sacks, 0 TFL, 0 Int, 0 PD (2 games)
[OPTION]S12 - San Jose - 0 Tck, 0 Sacks, 0 TFL, 0 Int, 0 PD (1 game)
[OPTION]S13 - San Jose - 5 Tck, 1 Sack, 0 TFL, 0 Int, 0 PD (1 game)
[OPTION]S14 - Baltimore - 8 Tck, 2 Sacks, 0 TFL, 0 Int, 1 PD (1 game)
[OPTION]S15 - Baltimore - 13 Tck, 3 Sacks, 0 TFL, 1 Int, 2 PD (2 games)
[OPTION]S17 - Baltimore - 19 Tck, 2 Sacks, 0 TFL, 0 Int, 1 PD (3 games)
[OPTION]S18 - Baltimore - 14 Tck, 1 Sacks, 1 FF, 0 Int, 1 PD (2 games)
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[OPTION] Trophy Case and Awards
[OPTION] Tijuana Luchadores Ring of Honor (S24 class)
[OPTION] 5x Pro Bowl (S10, S14, S15, S16, S18)
[OPTION] 1x Ultimus Champion (S15)
[OPTION] 2x NSFL NSFC Champion (S15, S17)
[OPTION] 16x Defensive Player of the Game
[OPTION] 1x DSFL SFC Champion (S7)
[OPTION] 1000+ Tackle Club
[OPTION]------------------------------------------------------------
[OPTION] Front Office History
[OPTION] S8 to S12 - Co-GM of Tijuana Luchadores (Co-GM: nunccoepi)
[OPTION] S13 - Head Coach of San Jose Sabercats
[OPTION] S14 to S17- Co-GM of Baltimore Hawks (Co-GM: nunccoepi)
[OPTION]------------------------------------------------------------
[OPTION] Trophy/Award Case
[OPTION] 1x Ultimus Champion (S15)
[OPTION] 2x NSFL NSFC Champion (S15, S17)
[OPTION] 3x Ultimini Champion (S8, S9, S10)
[OPTION] 4x DSFL SFC Champion (S8, S9, S10, S11)
[OPTION] 3x DSFL Co-GM of the Year (S8, S9, S10)
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[OPTION] Overall Stats
[OPTION] Regular Season 85-40
[OPTION] Post Season 11-5
[OPTION]------------------------------------------------------------
[OPTION] Regular Season Stats
[OPTION] S8 - TIJ - 8-6 - 2nd in SFC Division - Made Playoffs
[OPTION] S9 - TIJ - 10-4 - 1st in SFC Division - Made Playoffs
[OPTION] S10 - TIJ - 10-4 - 1st in SFC Division - Made Playoffs
[OPTION] S11 - TIJ - 5-9 - 2nd in SFC Division - Made Playoffs
[OPTION] S12 - TIJ - 9-5 - 1st in SFC Division - Made Playoffs
[OPTION] S13 - SJS - 12-2 - 1st in ASFC Division - Made Playoffs
[OPTION]S14 - BAL - 11-3 - 1st in NSFC Division - Made Playoffs
[OPTION]S15 - BAL - 12-2 - 1st in NSFC Division - Made Playoffs
[OPTION]S16 - BAL - 7-6 - 4th in NSFC Division
[OPTION]S17 - BAL - 8-5 -2nd in NSFC Division - Made Playoffs
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[OPTION] Post Season Stats
[OPTION] S8 - TIJ - 2-0 - Won Ultimini
[OPTION] S9 - TIJ - 2-0 - Won Ultimini
[OPTION] S10 - TIJ - 2-0 - Won Ultimini
[OPTION] S11 - TIJ - 1-1 - Lost Ultimini
[OPTION] S12 - TIJ - 0-1 - Lost in SFC Championship
[OPTION] S13 - SJS - 0-1 - Lost in ASFC Championship
[OPTION] S14 - BAL - 0-1 - Lost in NSFC Championship
[OPTION] S15 - BAL - 2-0 - Won Ultimus
[OPTION] S16 - Did not make playoffs
[OPTION] S17 - BAL - 2-1 - Lost Ultimus
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[OPTION] Other Career Achievements
[OPTION] Lead Tijuana to first Franchise Ultimini (S8)
[OPTION] First DSFL Franchise to win 3 Ultimini's in a row (S10)
[OPTION] GMed the only shutout in Ultimus History (S15)
[OPTION] Created QuickKetchup Strategy Testing
[OPTION] Co-GM of Great Lakes Dragons in S24 Charity Tournament
(07-28-2020, 09:50 PM)moonlight Wrote:@terriblehippo It does make sense. Cooter is fucking awesome. End of discussion. Hank Winchester (S25 - Current) - Scrub
Angus Winchester (S1-S12) - 4x Ultimus Champ - #2 Career Sacks - Hall of Fame
Cooter Bigsby (S14-S23) - S23 Ultimus Champ - #4 Career Yards - #4 Career TDs - 2x MVP - Hall of Fame
(07-29-2020, 10:25 AM)Memento Mori Wrote:I didn’t assume that every GM would vote in a biased way. I think you’ve misinterpreted my posts. Quote:I meant ‘the problem isn’t biased voting in general, biased voting by GMs is both not a problem because all teams have one vote and inescapable. Is that not what you're saying right here? Or are you just saying its inescapable that some will show bias but not all? in that case, i have to strongly disagree on your assessment that biased voting by GMs is not a problem. The point of my posts is just to say that historically, biased GM voting has been much much more common than biased HO voting is all (07-29-2020, 04:45 PM)ADwyer87 Wrote:Is that not what you're saying right here? Or are you just saying its inescapable that some will show bias but not all? in that case, i have to strongly disagree on your assessment that biased voting by GMs is not a problem.The latter. As CLG implied, it’s impossible to truly know whether a person is voting for someone to win an award because of bias or because they genuinely believe the person deserves it. Some amount of awards bias is therefore inescapable. When you have 12 GM votes, each representing one of the 12 teams, then each team has an equal number of opportunities to receive a vote that might be the result of bias. When you have 4 HO votes, with 2 HO affiliated with NOLA, 1 affiliated with COL and one affiliated with BAL, then the number of opportunities to receive a vote that might be the result of bias is uneven. This opens up the opportunity for HO members to swing close votes in favour of their teammates. Part of why HO has authority is because the users allow them to have it. We agree to bide by their rules so that we can have an enjoyable community and experience. Despite the criticism that they get, most users trust HO to some extent. Part of why HO votes in awards is because they are trusted not to take advantage of the system and try to manipulate the votes so that their teammates win. HO is held to a higher standard than GMs, and should be. They should be above trying to exploit awards voting, because they have been entrusted by the community to be better than this. HO members should be trying to do what’s best for the league, not what’s best for their teammates. [OPTION]S24 (PHI): 16 GP, 73 tackles, 1 TFL, 2 FF, 3 sacks, 5 INTs, 10 PDs, 2 TDs
[OPTION]S25 (PHI): 16 GP, 67 tackles, 4 INTs, 13 PDs, 1 TD [OPTION]S26 (OCO): 16 GP, 68 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 sack, 2 INTs, 10 PDs [OPTION]S27 (OCO): 16 GP, 116 tackles, 4 INTs, 23 PDs, 1 TD [OPTION]S28 (OCO): 16 GP, 84 tackles, 1 FF, 1 FR, 3 INTs, 20 PDs, 1 TD [OPTION]S29 (OCO): 16 GP, 99 tackles, 3 FF, 1 FR, 5 INTs, 23 PDs, 1 TD [OPTION]============================================================= [OPTION]ISFL Playoff Stats: [OPTION]S23 (PHI): 1 GP, 2 tackles [OPTION]S26 (OCO): 1 GP, 5 tackles, 2 PDs [OPTION]============================================================= [OPTION]Trophies and Achievements: [OPTION]Drafted 35th Overall by Myrtle Beach in the S21 DSFL Draft [OPTION]S21 Ultimini Champion [OPTION]S21 DSFL Pro Bowl Selection [OPTION]S21 DSFL Defensive Back of the Year Nominee [OPTION]Drafted 4th Overall by Philadelphia in the S22 ISFL Draft [OPTION]S23 ISFL Pro Bowl Selection [OPTION]S23 ISFL Cornerback of the Year Nominee [OPTION]S23 ISFL Defensive Performance of the Year Nominee [OPTION]S24 ISFL Pro Bowl Selection [OPTION]S24 ISFL Cornerback of the Year Nominee [OPTION]S26 ISFL Pro Bowl Selection
[OPTION]S26 ISFL Returner of the Year Nominee [OPTION]S29 ISFL Pro Bowl Selection [OPTION]S29 ISFL Cornerback of the Year Nominee [OPTION]============================================================= Player | Update | Wiki | Twitter (07-29-2020, 11:14 AM)Memento Mori Wrote:The latter. As CLG implied, it’s impossible to truly know whether a person is voting for someone to win an award because of bias or because they genuinely believe the person deserves it. Some amount of awards bias is therefore inescapable.I understand a lot of this, and I think much of it is fair, I just disagree with a few main points. Again, like ive said, GMs having equal opportunity to be shitty does not mean all of them are each shitty. GMs can still swing a vote in their favor, and have, because most GMs arent super biased. I believe its flawed reasoning to go into it thinking its fair because everyone has an equal chance to do wrong, and in my previous posts I was pointing out just a few of the many times this was not the case. I agree that bias is unavoidable, but I dont think this proposal is any more fair just because its equal representation. Lastly, i think the "Part of why HO has authority is because the users allow them to have it." Is rather pompous. The main reason why HO has authority is because the users force them to have it. There are always scandals that force HO to take action. Without an HO, if we were just governed by mob rule, this league would have died a couple years ago. Many HO members serve well past when they want to, thanks to the intense and all encompassing harrassment they get from strangers and trusted colleagues alike. its a ruinous job. And unlike other "similar" real life jobs, theres absolutely 0 reward for it. You get 10M in fake money, 15M for commish, and thats about it. I will flip your next statement on its head then: its not that you agree to bide by their rules so that y'all can have an enjoyable community and experience, its that they agree to give up their enjoyable community experience to attempt to give you it. I also disagree that HO should be held to a higher standard. we should not lower the standard HO has, but raise the standards other people have. We shouldnt shrug at a bad ballot a GM makes but gather the pitchforks for an HO. If an equal crime is done, an equal punishment or reaction should be levied. this goes for much more outside of awards voting I'm not here defending what happened. I dont think its good. I dont know if ive said that here yet, but here it is. My point is not to say hey we shouldnt hold people accountable, my point is to say we need to calm down. You say HO should be trying to do whats best for the league, but thats what I have seen throughout the course of about my entire HO career and still going on. Again, I do not agree with what happened, but I think it is an isolated incident. I do not support the attacking of all HO members and tearing down their priviledges all for the events of one event. Thats all im saying here (07-29-2020, 05:43 PM)ADwyer87 Wrote:I understand a lot of this, and I think much of it is fair, I just disagree with a few main points.Again, like I've said, recognising that some people within a group of people might be biased =/= implying that all people within said group are biased. I also haven't said that the fact each team gets one GM makes it fair, but that it makes it less unfair. The point I made is distinct from the one you keep arguing against. Your next paragraph is compatible with the point that users grant HO authority, IMO. HO is absolutely necessary. HO does lots of great things. I have praised plenty of HO decisions. I didn't advocate mob rule, and don't want mob rule. Google 'social contract theory' if you want, it applies to a situation like this fairly well IMO. I completely disagree with your next paragraph though. HO members should absolutely be held to a higher standard than the average user. Context, and the identity of the person committing a wrong are extremely important. IRL, a doctor who kills a patient is treated much more harshly under the law, because they were in a position of trust and authority. A politician who lies is treated much more harshly than an ordinary citizen caught in a lie. A rich individual who steals a loaf of bread is treated more harshly than a starving one. I shouldn't have to say this, but just to be clear: these are examples of the point and I'm not comparing vote manipulation to murder. I agree, HO generally does very good things. HO has made several big decisions in a relatively short space of time due to the growth of the league, and I think almost all of the decisions were great ones. The ones that I don't think were great, I understand why they made the decision they did. I think this is probably an isolated incident too. I haven't attacked all HO members, I immediately made it clear that I don't think the other HO members did anything wrong, and I haven't advocated for anything to be done to all HO members. I just went back and read the thread again to confirm, and no one criticised the rest of HO or said that anyone other than Hippo shouldn't be allowed to vote for awards. You didn't need to come into this thread defending HO against the people who said that everything HO do is bad, that HO shouldn't exist, that all HO members are culpable or that all HO members should lose their voting privileges. Because no one said any of those things. [OPTION]S24 (PHI): 16 GP, 73 tackles, 1 TFL, 2 FF, 3 sacks, 5 INTs, 10 PDs, 2 TDs
[OPTION]S25 (PHI): 16 GP, 67 tackles, 4 INTs, 13 PDs, 1 TD [OPTION]S26 (OCO): 16 GP, 68 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 sack, 2 INTs, 10 PDs [OPTION]S27 (OCO): 16 GP, 116 tackles, 4 INTs, 23 PDs, 1 TD [OPTION]S28 (OCO): 16 GP, 84 tackles, 1 FF, 1 FR, 3 INTs, 20 PDs, 1 TD [OPTION]S29 (OCO): 16 GP, 99 tackles, 3 FF, 1 FR, 5 INTs, 23 PDs, 1 TD [OPTION]============================================================= [OPTION]ISFL Playoff Stats: [OPTION]S23 (PHI): 1 GP, 2 tackles [OPTION]S26 (OCO): 1 GP, 5 tackles, 2 PDs [OPTION]============================================================= [OPTION]Trophies and Achievements: [OPTION]Drafted 35th Overall by Myrtle Beach in the S21 DSFL Draft [OPTION]S21 Ultimini Champion [OPTION]S21 DSFL Pro Bowl Selection [OPTION]S21 DSFL Defensive Back of the Year Nominee [OPTION]Drafted 4th Overall by Philadelphia in the S22 ISFL Draft [OPTION]S23 ISFL Pro Bowl Selection [OPTION]S23 ISFL Cornerback of the Year Nominee [OPTION]S23 ISFL Defensive Performance of the Year Nominee [OPTION]S24 ISFL Pro Bowl Selection [OPTION]S24 ISFL Cornerback of the Year Nominee [OPTION]S26 ISFL Pro Bowl Selection
[OPTION]S26 ISFL Returner of the Year Nominee [OPTION]S29 ISFL Pro Bowl Selection [OPTION]S29 ISFL Cornerback of the Year Nominee [OPTION]============================================================= Player | Update | Wiki | Twitter (07-29-2020, 12:26 PM)Memento Mori Wrote:Again, like I've said, recognising that some people within a group of people might be biased =/= implying that all people within said group are biased. I also haven't said that the fact each team gets one GM makes it fair, but that it makes it less unfair. The point I made is distinct from the one you keep arguing against.I didnt say that you said all people are biased. I said simply that your argument seems to be that everyone has an equal chance to be biased. Not that they will, a chance. I think thats what you're saying, so if im wrong please correct me. My argument is simply that this is not a good argument Personally i just dont like the thought of "users graint HO authority". It seems very self important to me. The users in this league are the main reason i want out of this league, let alone them being the main reason I wanted to get out of commissioner. I think the thought that HO needs a magical higher standard is silly. the truth is HO has and always will be measured under a microscrope, but repeated abhorrent behavior by GMs and normal users gets overlooked constantly. That needs to stop. If you arent blaming HO then maybe I have taken it wrong. But when you have a section of a post that starts with "the problem is HO" in regards to the voting system, forgive me for miscontruing that as an attack and call to remove voting |
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