S36 Rule Summit Results

[Pat]

Yeah not a fan of these award changes at all as someone who cares a lot about awards in these leagues. And the committee is just not a great idea. I said it at the beginning and I was ignored and I will say it again now. It just isn't working well and these changes are not a good fix I am afraid. But I guess we'll see...

So do you have actual reason why you think these are bad changes and that the committee is not a great idea?
Also, what isn't working? This is a brand new thing for the league.

[JuOSu]

Yeah not a fan of these award changes at all as someone who cares a lot about awards in these leagues. And the committee is just not a great idea. I said it at the beginning and I was ignored and I will say it again now. It just isn't working well and these changes are not a good fix I am afraid. But I guess we'll see...

So do you have actual reason why you think these are bad changes and that the committee is not a great idea?
Also, what isn't working? This is a brand new thing for the league.

Taking away awards gives people less of a reason to be those positions, as many people have pointed out. 

Committees are always a bad idea because it limits who chooses awards and while it sounds good in theory, it is often not a good system. I made this same argument when we created the committee in the first place and was told I was wrong, then a season or two later everyone was just bitching about the committee. Making the committee be the same people will help a tiny bit but it doesn't fix the overall issue.

[DarknessRising]

Yeah not a fan of these award changes at all as someone who cares a lot about awards in these leagues. And the committee is just not a great idea. I said it at the beginning and I was ignored and I will say it again now. It just isn't working well and these changes are not a good fix I am afraid. But I guess we'll see...

So do you have actual reason why you think these are bad changes and that the committee is not a great idea?
Also, what isn't working? This is a brand new thing for the league.

Taking away awards gives people less of a reason to be those positions, as many people have pointed out. 

Committees are always a bad idea because it limits who chooses awards and while it sounds good in theory, it is often not a good system. I made this same argument when we created the committee in the first place and was told I was wrong, then a season or two later everyone was just bitching about the committee. Making the committee be the same people will help a tiny bit but it doesn't fix the overall issue.

The only award gone is an individual performance of the year for offenve and defence, thats now a joint one. Every other position still has its own awards through SWFG in this system.
As for committee, we shall wait and see, but I dont understand the "limit who choosese awrds" because it was already limitted? Maybe bigger rotation sure cause its not permenent, but if not a committee, how would you do awards? Pro bowl style where every single name is given to all voters?

[br0_0ker]

 through SWFG in this system.

ive seen this acronym a few time, wtf does it mean, it's not stated anywhere in the proposal and as a general rule there should be one use of the full name before people start using acronyms...

[JuOSu]

Yeah not a fan of these award changes at all as someone who cares a lot about awards in these leagues. And the committee is just not a great idea. I said it at the beginning and I was ignored and I will say it again now. It just isn't working well and these changes are not a good fix I am afraid. But I guess we'll see...

So do you have actual reason why you think these are bad changes and that the committee is not a great idea?
Also, what isn't working? This is a brand new thing for the league.

Taking away awards gives people less of a reason to be those positions, as many people have pointed out. 

Committees are always a bad idea because it limits who chooses awards and while it sounds good in theory, it is often not a good system. I made this same argument when we created the committee in the first place and was told I was wrong, then a season or two later everyone was just bitching about the committee. Making the committee be the same people will help a tiny bit but it doesn't fix the overall issue.

The only award gone is an individual performance of the year for offenve and defence, thats now a joint one. Every other position still has its own awards through SWFG in this system.
As for committee, we shall wait and see, but I dont understand the "limit who choosese awrds" because it was already limitted? Maybe bigger rotation sure cause its not permenent, but if not a committee, how would you do awards? Pro bowl style where every single name is given to all voters?

I guess it depends on how this is presented in the streams and on the forum. 

I guess I should clarify that it limits it in a way of who chooses it. Like, it's gonna be the same few people. And you can't guarantee that those won't be biased either. Or that they choose the right people.

Obviously no system is perfect. Some might prefer it this way. This is my own opinions obviously. But I can point to how we do it in the PBE where I am the head. It's one vote per team for the GMs, HO votes, simmers also get a vote. So it's not every person in the league but everyone in major roles who will know most about the league. Wisdom of crowds and everything like that. And besides the occasional small award that we get wrong, 99% of awards are not complained about and never have been.

[Raven]

 through SWFG in this system.

ive seen this acronym a few time, wtf does it mean, it's not stated anywhere in the proposal and as a general rule there should be one use of the full name before people start using acronyms...

SWFG - Spark Woodfire Grill (Los Angeles, CA)

[DarknessRising]

 through SWFG in this system.

ive seen this acronym a few time, wtf does it mean, it's not stated anywhere in the proposal and as a general rule there should be one use of the full name before people start using acronyms...

Sim Football Writers Guild - the do the all-pro media articles

[DarknessRising]

Yeah not a fan of these award changes at all as someone who cares a lot about awards in these leagues. And the committee is just not a great idea. I said it at the beginning and I was ignored and I will say it again now. It just isn't working well and these changes are not a good fix I am afraid. But I guess we'll see...

So do you have actual reason why you think these are bad changes and that the committee is not a great idea?
Also, what isn't working? This is a brand new thing for the league.

Taking away awards gives people less of a reason to be those positions, as many people have pointed out. 

Committees are always a bad idea because it limits who chooses awards and while it sounds good in theory, it is often not a good system. I made this same argument when we created the committee in the first place and was told I was wrong, then a season or two later everyone was just bitching about the committee. Making the committee be the same people will help a tiny bit but it doesn't fix the overall issue.

The only award gone is an individual performance of the year for offenve and defence, thats now a joint one. Every other position still has its own awards through SWFG in this system.
As for committee, we shall wait and see, but I dont understand the "limit who choosese awrds" because it was already limitted? Maybe bigger rotation sure cause its not permenent, but if not a committee, how would you do awards? Pro bowl style where every single name is given to all voters?

I guess it depends on how this is presented in the streams and on the forum. 

I guess I should clarify that it limits it in a way of who chooses it. Like, it's gonna be the same few people. And you can't guarantee that those won't be biased either. Or that they choose the right people.

Obviously no system is perfect. Some might prefer it this way. This is my own opinions obviously. But I can point to how we do it in the PBE where I am the head. It's one vote per team for the GMs, HO votes, simmers also get a vote. So it's not every person in the league but everyone in major roles who will know most about the league. Wisdom of crowds and everything like that. And besides the occasional small award that we get wrong, 99% of awards are not complained about and never have been.

Good to know how PBE does it cause i have never known. So they dont have a for lack of better word, first round of votes for a ballot THEN official vote, its just all those individuals who vote pick their winners?

[br0_0ker]

 through SWFG in this system.

ive seen this acronym a few time, wtf does it mean, it's not stated anywhere in the proposal and as a general rule there should be one use of the full name before people start using acronyms...

SWFG - Spark Woodfire Grill (Los Angeles, CA)

lies this is in huntington beach:


https://www.sparkwoodfiregrill.com/

[br0_0ker]

 through SWFG in this system.

ive seen this acronym a few time, wtf does it mean, it's not stated anywhere in the proposal and as a general rule there should be one use of the full name before people start using acronyms...

Sim Football Writers Guild - the do the all-pro media articles

thaaaaaaanks!