soevil Conduct Detrimental

[Jimi64]

The punishment is also only a timeout, what is the recourse when the day after it lapses he reengages in his behavior? There is no deterrent in this ruling to prevent the behavior in the future.

maybe I’m misunderstanding what you’re saying, but I believe that’s what’s covered in the second paragraph

Edit: I did in fact misunderstand.

Still though, I think you’d see an escalated punishment based on past offenses.

[iStegosauruz]

Appeal. The characterization of “sent harassing messages to and about members of the league” is highly inaccurate and slanderous.

How about if instead of appealing and digging your heels in you just maybe, I don't know, stop being a dick? Crazy thought, I know; but, it might just be crazy enough to work.

But that would mean taking responsibility for their actions. And from what it sounds like, he won’t ever!

The two actual things I have done I have taken accountability over, where is this coming from?

I don’t want to get into a back and forth with you over, however if you feel you’ve taken accountability from what you admit you’ve done then you should have no reason to appeal this punishment. There’s no teeth to it - which I disagree with - but that means what you’re appealing is your ability to call people those words? 

Insofar as you admit you have done something worth taking accountability for and this punishment doesn’t levy a tangible, hard punishment what exactly are you appealing?

[soevil]

The punishment is also only a timeout, what is the recourse when the day after it lapses he reengages in his behavior? There is no deterrent in this ruling to prevent the behavior in the future.

maybe I’m misunderstanding what you’re saying, but I believe that’s what’s covered in the second paragraph

Edit: I did in fact misunderstand.

Still though, I think you’d see an escalated punishment based on past offenses.

What past offenses, if I may ask?

[.HoshinoIchika]

Slander is spoken. In print it’s libel

beat me to it

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[dude_man]

Appeal. The characterization of “sent harassing messages to and about members of the league” is highly inaccurate and slanderous.

How about if instead of appealing and digging your heels in you just maybe, I don't know, stop being a dick? Crazy thought, I know; but, it might just be crazy enough to work.

Sir, what? I have been accused of "disliking" messages from months ago, sending a "vomit gif", typing "FTY", and making a "veiled comment about being punished for making a joke". C'mon, what are we talking about here? The worst I did was call a player a B**** and I owned up to that, and expressed I thought they were okay with that type of trash talk. You, literally with this comment, in my opinion is more "being a dick" than I have been.

[soevil]

Appeal. The characterization of “sent harassing messages to and about members of the league” is highly inaccurate and slanderous.

How about if instead of appealing and digging your heels in you just maybe, I don't know, stop being a dick? Crazy thought, I know; but, it might just be crazy enough to work.

But that would mean taking responsibility for their actions. And from what it sounds like, he won’t ever!

The two actual things I have done I have taken accountability over, where is this coming from?

I don’t want to get into a back and forth with you over, however if you feel you’ve taken accountability from what you admit you’ve done then you should have no reason to appeal this punishment. There’s no teeth to it - which I disagree with - but that means what you’re appealing is your ability to call people those words? 

Insofar as you admit you have done something worth taking accountability for and this punishment doesn’t levy a tangible, hard punishment what exactly are you appealing?

I am appealing the fact that I believe this is an overreach. I had talked to HO and informed them that I would adjust my behavior accordingly. Since then, I made a "veiled comment" and a "for the younglings" joke. I don't think either of those things prove to be detrimental to the league. What's gonna happen with "FTY" stands for "for the yotes"? This is just, in my opinion, completely overblown.

[Pat]

Appeal. The characterization of “sent harassing messages to and about members of the league” is highly inaccurate and slanderous.

How about if instead of appealing and digging your heels in you just maybe, I don't know, stop being a dick? Crazy thought, I know; but, it might just be crazy enough to work.

Sir, what? I have been accused of "disliking" messages from months ago, sending a "vomit gif", typing "FTY", and making a "veiled comment about being punished for making a joke". C'mon, what are we talking about here? The worst I did was call a player a B**** and I owned up to that, and expressed I thought they were okay with that type of trash talk. You, literally with this comment, in my opinion is more "being a dick" than I have been.

Let's be real here: you've consistently been unprofessional in the Rookie Discord and ISFL General channels enough time to have multiple people not only raise concerns but also speak directly to you about your conduct. I've been in this league for over two years now, and trust me, it takes a lot for people to actually get hit with the Conduct Detrimental punishment. Instead of deflecting blame and trying to brush everything off as being, "in character" or, "just a joke, bro" maybe you should just take a time out and consider that just maybe you're being a poor representative of the league for new users.

For the record, I thought you were a great dude when we first chatted way back when you joined. That being said, you need to just cool it. There's no need to be such an ass to a team or players for that team, even if you claim it's all an act.

[Void_DCXI]

Appeal. The characterization of “sent harassing messages to and about members of the league” is highly inaccurate and slanderous.

How about if instead of appealing and digging your heels in you just maybe, I don't know, stop being a dick? Crazy thought, I know; but, it might just be crazy enough to work.

former dick here, this is the best strategy

[iStegosauruz]

How about if instead of appealing and digging your heels in you just maybe, I don't know, stop being a dick? Crazy thought, I know; but, it might just be crazy enough to work.

But that would mean taking responsibility for their actions. And from what it sounds like, he won’t ever!

The two actual things I have done I have taken accountability over, where is this coming from?

I don’t want to get into a back and forth with you over, however if you feel you’ve taken accountability from what you admit you’ve done then you should have no reason to appeal this punishment. There’s no teeth to it - which I disagree with - but that means what you’re appealing is your ability to call people those words? 

Insofar as you admit you have done something worth taking accountability for and this punishment doesn’t levy a tangible, hard punishment what exactly are you appealing?

I am appealing the fact that I believe this is an overreach. I had talked to HO and informed them that I would adjust my behavior accordingly. Since then, I made a "veiled comment" and a "for the younglings" joke. I don't think either of those things prove to be detrimental to the league. What's gonna happen with "FTY" stands for "for the yotes"? This is just, in my opinion, completely overblown.

Context clues lead us to knowing that’s now what you meant, but to clarify - your argument here is you might not be able to resist making a thinly veiled negative comment towards a new person? I’m confused what you think the overreach here. Be polite, don’t make those thinly veiled comments, and you’re free to go in eighth weeks.

[DREAMSLOTH]

Appeal. The characterization of “sent harassing messages to and about members of the league” is highly inaccurate and slanderous.

Oh?