*PBE vs ISFL (with help from iamslm22) - part 2

[JuOSu]

Well this is immediately an impossible one to answer. But I don't like cop-outs so I will still debate this and see where I land in the end. I already want to apologize to whoever I don't pick, because I do truly think that both of you do a fantastic job. Both commishes have taken over a difficult situation and have done a fantastic job in bettering their respective leagues and continuing on the trend of a lot of growth. Bex has faced some difficult moments that she handled well overall. I think overall she is hampered by the fact that she is held back by some other HO members who in my opinion could be doing a better job. There have been questionable decisions such as the debacle of removing the PT head and some questionable punishments, which weren't necessarily handled by her but are still overseen by her. I think overall she has done very well. Hummus on the other side I think has especially handled very difficult situations well when it comes to the interpersonal connections in the league. He also did well on the official OOTP podcast and in general has done well with league broadening too. While the PBE HO also has a few people that I don't necessarily agree with, Hummus does have the benefit of having one of the most active and best HO members of any league in Poe, who takes a lot of the heat off of Hummus. Hummus suffers a bit in comparison to other PBE commishes because overall we have been very lucky with some good commishes before him. Kolbe was obviously laughable but also saved the league for a while. Majesiu is incredible and did a ton for the league. Jonny2x also did an incredible job for the league as well. Meanwhile Bex I think shines more because the comparison to before her doesn't necessarily look as favorable, with Ballerstorm, Dermot and Dwyer not necessarily always having done the best job or been the most popular among people. This is honestly one of the hardest decisions I have had to make in these. I think ultimately I think that Bex is very very slimly ahead of Hummus. No offense to either though, lots of respect for the work both of you do. (1-0 ISFL)

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Meanwhile Bex I think shines more because the comparison to before her doesn't necessarily look as favorable, with Ballerstorm, Dermot and Dwyer not necessarily always having done the best job or been the most popular among people.

With all due respect (very little to none), I wanna touch on this. I'm not here to go shit on Bex but it will happen by proxy for sure. I don't have any issues with Bex as a person, even to this day I don't have any issues with her at all since I left the league, nor did I really have any with her when I was in the league (bar certain 5head single digit low brain frequency decisions). I get your gripes with me and Dwyer because for as far as I've been aware of you, you've been happy to say shit behind closed doors because you can't say anything with your chest. You even did this in this same article where you mentioned certain HO members hampering Bex but didn't even name drop them, but you were okay to call it out, not take any responsibility for the blowback of it.

In terms of Baller, I don't even know if you were around when he started the league, or if you were on one of your alternate accounts that falls off the face of the earth after they hit the draft stage. Baller created and ran the league til about July/August 2017 when by that point he got burned out, much if not all of the very structures that exist in the league today are down to his original concepts and early groundwork. But again if you weren't around the league then, then I get that. It's tough to do research, especially in a league with as many people who are still around from S1 are still here today.

I think it's an important distinction to seperate this by saying that being commish is the worst job in sim league sports history other than one named simmer. You deal with a community with the average IQ of a juicer xqcL but the age is in the ranges of 20-30. Now whatever about Dwyer on a personal level, I shit on his decisions (as a HO Board) as did most of the community until he eventually retired and left the league and hopefully hes in a happier stage of his life now. Now I liked the insinuation that both me and Dwyer in our respective stints didn't do the "best" but I don't remember me or Dwyer when we were commissioners having self sabotaged ourselfs. I don't remember running and signing off on a Dermott's Bachelor event, being OK with the announcement, seeing blowback and then immediately throwing one of my closest friends on the site under the bus to save my own skin, because let's not beat around the bush, this happened.

I also don't remember at any point of his time as commish, Dwyer being exposed for running a private discord server in which he would consistently rag and say overall absolutely awful things about the people he's leading in the league. Especially not stuff like saying you'd like to organise somebody to meet up with another user in the league and murder them. Because again this happened, just it wasn't during Dwyer, Baller or even my own stints as commish.

I dont remember Baller having a hand in firing one of the most efficient and well liked PT leaders in our time because of a slight level of leniency regarding timelines and then for the next couple of weeks going completely ghost out there regarding any communication on the decision, again all this stuff happened, just not during Dwyer, Baller or my time as commish.

I don't remember any of the Big 3, being involved in an investigation regarding a discord server and then in a last second gasp of desperation, we deleted the very messages that would incriminate ourselves and then try to play it off like we didn't literally tamper with evidence and damn ourselves in the eyes of the public and private. But this did happen, it just didn't happen to any of the 3.

It's important to say that, I'm not saying we didn't all have our issues or there werent numerous scandals during every single commish's run in the NSFL/ISFL because there absolutely was. The difference between the Big 3 (what I'm calling the 3 Commissioners before Bex) and Bex is that for the largest part, any scandal or issues the Big 3 dealt with were not caused by themselves. I've never seen a commissioner not named Kolbe self sabotage as much as I've seen Bex do in her time as commissioner. Literally the three biggest things/issues during her time as Commish were all directly caused by her own doing.

Again I've got nothing against Bex, and she's probably of the sort to recognise that that entire Bex Bachelor event and the discord server stuff, and the deleting of the discord server messages during an investiagtion was absolutely braindead stuff. FWIW DylanDeluxe can go yeet himself off a cliff for exposing the whole thing and how maliciously he went about it.

To close, I find the most popular among people comment to be pretty spot on, I'm aware of my standing and reputation, I didn't take the role of commish to be liked, I just wanted things to work, and they did. Dwyer wanted things to work, and they did. Baller wanted things to work, and they did. Bex wanted things to work, but first she got caught in a game of chinese whispers and game of thrones but eventually they did begin to work.

Yeah, while I think some of the points you raise are a little silly, overall I tend to agree with most of what you said. As you may have noticed, I did point out that that opinion partially comes from how other people look back on your time and frankly, it isn't favorable. Meanwhile, I pointed out that I think Hummus looks worse in comparison because people look back fondly on maj and Jonny. Both of them have plenty of issues still. Both have made bad decisions. 

Also no offense, but I am also happy to say shit not behind closed doors, I am sure many people will vouch for that.

Yeah, while I think some of the points you raise are a little silly, overall I tend to agree with most of what you said.

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As you may have noticed, I did point out that that opinion partially comes from how other people look back on your time and frankly, it isn't favorable.

If you could find even 5 people who had issues with how I ran the league for a year I'd be shocked. It's an important disctinction that I ran the league for exactly 1 of the 4 years I was on site. I never had any issues with the vast majority of the site for a year, the one that I ran it for. The issues really cropped up the most in the latter 2 (Jrs career) because I demanded to get what I want, and did and people didnt like that, yourself included. Along with that I don't have any qualms about saying what I feel, on here or outside of my doorstep in any regard of my life. If you have an issue you can raise it, most people don't because they are bog. It's fine people having an opinion on my time, that's cool, I got what I wanted from the site and moved on after I retired til I got re-directed to this thread.

Meanwhile, I pointed out that I think Hummus looks worse in comparison because people look back fondly on maj and Jonny. Both of them have plenty of issues still. Both have made bad decisions.

I don't know much about hummus or have interacted with him much so I can't comment. FWIW Maj was the PBE commish around my stint and honestly I never had any issues with him and I think the same vice versa but if that's not the case it's news to me. He was the one who we worked with to get a NSFL/PBE partnership going that's been fruitful for both leagues. Jonny I haven't interacted with too much so same as Hummus, I don't know too much. I think Jonny was the one that dealt with the Gurii guy calling me a racist because of my username (5head take) and then banning me as soon as I joined the PBE discord to press him, again no ill will with that guy, he apologised for it anyway.

Also no offense, but I am also happy to say shit not behind closed doors, I am sure many people will vouch for that.

Line them up.

But hey, if you felt the need to come back after a month of not posting just to give your comments, I welcome that. Welcome back to the league and stuff. Hope you enjoy it here.

I don't know if you realised but I retired and left the site, I didn't feel the need to write a heart felt message thanking everybody during my time here. I think the, "you replied here" so you must be back shtick is pretty weak and overused and it's a half decent attempt at deflecting actual criticism. I have a decent amount of people I stay in relative touch with on the site who by occasion turn me into dumb shit, like this. By leaving the site , it doesn't mean I lose the ability to access it, you know that right. The domain doesn't get closed off from me, you can derive the difference between leaving a league and being banned from the league, I'm not actually dead. Logging in for the first time in months ≠ rejoining a league and its community.

I have easily heard from more than 5 people who had issues with you as a commish. And welcoming you back wasn't deflecting criticism, it was criticizing you yourself. I am well aware that you can still access the site and come back any time you want, but I find it weak to come back just to shit on someone's media, for someone who isn't even part of the community anymore. Maybe your criticism would mean more if you know... you weren't gone. It's the Keygan way I guess. Hey, there's a guy I shit on a lot publicly. 

Appreciate the criticism though. Never thought that the answer where I chose ISFL would be the controversial one here.

[iamslm22]

I just want to be on record that I think Dermott is the best commissioner in ISFL history - and I don't think it's particularly close.

Our specific 5 man HO unit had to have the best approval rating of all time, and we were very receptive to community feedback.

[zaynzk]

I think PBE’s Commish would be better if @Hummus God updated here for us :Simon:


Also how the heck do u like Jcink better PBE site is WAY worse it’s so hard to navigate

[JuOSu]

I think PBE’s Commish would be better if @Hummus God updated here for us :Simon:


Also how the heck do u like Jcink better PBE site is WAY worse it’s so hard to navigate

I don't really know how it's worse to navigate. It's the exact same thing with some things being simpler, i.e. search function and member page. Like what's something this site does better than jcink? I genuinely don't understand

[Swanty]

Dermot, I think you're right about Commish being one of the worst jobs in the league. Not only do they have to work insanely hard, they have to deal with attacks like this.

Comparing and trying to judge who the best commissioner is probably a recipe for disaster given how hard each of them works and how much they have achieved, and I'm sorry you were called out in the initial post. I and many other members weren't around during your tenure but you were clearly a key link in the chain that led to what we have today, and all of us should be thankful.

Knowing what commissioners have to go through though, I'm kind of surprised you chose to launch an all out attack on the current commissioner. I'm not going to try and defend any mistakes that were made or anything, it would just be good to recognise that everyone who has served that post has added a lot more to the league than they took out.

Best Commish - all of them

[zaynzk]

I think PBE’s Commish would be better if @Hummus God updated here for us :Simon:


Also how the heck do u like Jcink better PBE site is WAY worse it’s so hard to navigate

I don't really know how it's worse to navigate. It's the exact same thing with some things being simpler, i.e. search function and member page. Like what's something this site does better than jcink? I genuinely don't understand

When u click on ur own now in JCink u can’t easily find ur update page; which is a pain; in fact it’s hard to find any old posts from users cause of this. GFX uploads seem to be compressed compared to SHL and ISFL. And in general I find the UI a lot less appealing on PBE site than in SHL and ISFL

[zaynzk]

Also PBE site is just hard af to navigate on mobile imo

[JuOSu]

I think PBE’s Commish would be better if @Hummus God updated here for us :Simon:


Also how the heck do u like Jcink better PBE site is WAY worse it’s so hard to navigate

I don't really know how it's worse to navigate. It's the exact same thing with some things being simpler, i.e. search function and member page. Like what's something this site does better than jcink? I genuinely don't understand

When u click on ur own now in JCink u can’t easily find ur update page; which is a pain; in fact it’s hard to find any old posts from users cause of this. GFX uploads seem to be compressed compared to SHL and ISFL. And in general I find the UI a lot less appealing on PBE site than in SHL and ISFL

I mean you can find posts from users super easy with the search function, which is terrible here. I can't speak about graphics cause I don't really know about graphics. And the UI is terrible here, constantly pages stretching and being off screen like with the members page. I guess it's just what you are used to. Also yeah, I don't ever use mobile.

[Memento Mori]

Oh man, this one might be controversial. Obviously the PBE still goes with the old school jcink forum whereas this website is more personal or made by someone. I don't really know how it works. But I am one of the few people who seems to just prefer jcink. Jcink just tends to work much better for me and much easier to use. There is more information. You can search better and easier. You can look at members more easily. The writing never messes up like it does here for me sometimes. I honestly just prefer everything about jcink. I am well aware that most people will disagree here but I think the move from jcink to this page was one of the worst ideas in the ISFL. Can't stand it. 

[AdamS]

I just want to be on record that I think Dermott is the best commissioner in ISFL history - and I don't think it's particularly close.

Our specific 5 man HO unit had to have the best approval rating of all time, and we were very receptive to community feedback.

Put some of the biggest complainers in ho and ho gets fewer complaints 

Also there's a private server that should never be public lol