(07-17-2021, 03:41 PM)zaynzk Wrote:(07-17-2021, 03:18 PM)Oles Wrote:(07-17-2021, 03:04 PM)CommishDrip Wrote:(07-17-2021, 12:35 PM)SwankyPants31 Wrote:(07-17-2021, 11:40 AM)SDCore Wrote: What the actual fuck is wrong with people in this league. Why are people mad @infinitempg. Honestly, he didn't do anything wrong except be a nice guy and not betray an individuals confidence. This league has some serious meglomaniac personas who think they are bigger than an individual. Jiggly, a person I've notoriously not gotten on with, created a new account to shed some of the old stigma, came clean and outs the people who help him and you all help shit on those individuals. Are you fucking kidding me? Infy has done more for this league than pretty much anyone, yet in one sweeping blow he is villainized by people. Even people who were close to him. Honestly fucking disgusting and disappointing.
This is the correct take. As others have pointed out in the thread what Infinite helped Jiggly do was well within the rules at the time and that only changed due to the most recent rules summit. I also believe Infinite when he says that he respected Jiggly's wishes and kept that information confidential. I understand that people are upset about this, most notably Philly and London since they essentially lost out on a player/pick, but trying to take it out on Infinite is the wrong move.
Agreed with both of these. I think trying to help somebody have fun and be involved in a way that isn't harmful to anybody (minus Philly and London) should not cause what has happened. Personally, I think that we all know Infinite and that they have the best interest of the league and the players at heart. We should use this to set precedence in rule changes for the future, especially because I don't think (and I bet a lot of you agree with me) that this league is done growing yet. I hope that the league is around for a lot more time, and that dedicated users don't feel ashamed for trying to help out other users become a bigger part of our community.
Also, I wasn't around for jiggly the first time, and I haven't heard of them until this. Was he a bad guy? I've gotten a little info and it seems like they didn't intentionally hurt someone or do anything extremely bad. So If it was a multi or phoenix or whatever for someone who intentionally hurt another user, or is a bad person, then I would get the backlash. I definitely don't have all the info, but I do believe that it's unfair to judge how terrible or bad a person is if they are just strange.
I'm gonna go do my predictions.
Jiggly never did anything that would make them a bad person or a bad user. Jiggly just has always had the misfortune of being bullied and the butt of jokes constantly, and he is still mocked and bullied even when he was not around. It's a massive issue and it's why jiggly created the phoenix account, so he could get away from that and just enjoy the league. It's very frustrating that someone who has been in the league since S1, and someone who has been harassed and bullied since S1, cannot enjoy the league that they've been in forever. I helped jiggly check rules, I helped jiggly with stuff regarding the account and never told a soul out of respect for his wishes. The only thing I didn't know was the rookie task.
Jiggly has been a victim of bullying and harassment, and is someone who deserves to be able to have a new account to get away from that. Even if jiggly isn't mocked or bullied or harassed as much now, it's still an issue and the reputation he has is because of people who never interact with him and who don't know who he is except for what other people say. He has never done anything worthy of punishment and he has never hurt anyone or done things wrong, maybe the biggest thing was Chicago a year or so ago with that situation, in which he fought for the team he cared about and that rubbed people the wrong way, but other than that jiggly's reputation is something that lasts because people make it last.
I'll be honest this feels a bit like revisionist history; yeah he was likely overly mocked for his mistakes; but he consistently was given chances in this league, PBE and SHL; only recently after like 4 years of doing this stuff has he started to really get given up on. In my interactions with Jiggly hes has been nothing but a dick himself. In my short time in the league i have seen Jiggly himself openly insult and berate users on this site and other sites then play the victim. In SHL he went undrafted since he burned bridges with his last players. If Jiggly came back and earned the respect back I think most of the league would accept him, I personally would if I believed he genuinly was trying to change.
I understand the need to want to create a new account to escape the shit. But come on he pulls this "this is not my fault its someone elses" every single time
I'm very confused how someone with less knowledge can call what I've said as revisionist history, considering I've seen first hand the bullying and harassment that happened. Jiggly was harassed and treated like he has been since day 1 of the ISFL, I cannot speak for other sim leagues, but I can speak first hand how people would avoid Orange county because jiggly was there, how people talked down on the Chicago blues because jiggly was gm, how people talked to jiggly in DSFL gm chats. Jiggly from the start of the league had people on his ass bullying and harassing him. We are not talking about PBE or SHL, we are talking about ISFL and his time here. Jiggly is passionate about his causes and teams, and sometimes people go overboard (everyone does it) and I get having an issue with that. However, what has happened with Jiggly is more than just being a dick, and that runs a person down. He wanted a fresh start and deserved a fresh start after what had happened in this league and how people treated him from the beginning.
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