ISFL S26 Pro Bowl

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To put in perspective how bad 3.4 YPC is: Trent Richardson's career average is 3.3 YPC. How good is 5.3 YPC? Jim Brown's career average is 5.2 YPC.

Was Jim Brown ever traded for a 1st round pick? Thought not.

[JPach]

where tf is busch goose on this list.

[BenDover]

Insert Angry Comment about being “snubbed”.

Heck HO

Also Rotchburns OP

[infinitempg]

where tf is busch goose on this list.

SMFH better not get snubbed again

[qWest]

Also the "efficiency" argument is just silly as a point to vote for someone over someone else with 2x the TDs and 3.5x the pancakes. If an RB rushes for 3.4 ypc they get a first down every 3 downs. Anything after that is bonus. What should matter way more than how quickly a player produces positive plays for an offense is the number of positive plays they produce, especially when it directly gets points on the board.

Ah yes, this is why RBs that can average 3.4 ypc are a hot commodity in all levels of football.

To put in perspective how bad 3.4 YPC is: Trent Richardson's career average is 3.3 YPC. How good is 5.3 YPC? Jim Brown's career average is 5.2 YPC.

Jim Brown also averaged 14 TDs in a season. Trent Richardson averaged 6.33.

And if we really think 3.4 ypc is so terribly disqualifying, Toriki was as close to that number (3.8 ypc) as Nakamura was to her (4.2 ypc), while also leading Nakamura by fewer TDs than he leads Rotchburns by (20 vs 15 vs 7). The inconsistency of voters there is appalling, no wonder some people think they must be biased for certain teams.

[Kyle]

Also the "efficiency" argument is just silly as a point to vote for someone over someone else with 2x the TDs and 3.5x the pancakes. If an RB rushes for 3.4 ypc they get a first down every 3 downs. Anything after that is bonus. What should matter way more than how quickly a player produces positive plays for an offense is the number of positive plays they produce, especially when it directly gets points on the board.

Ah yes, this is why RBs that can average 3.4 ypc are a hot commodity in all levels of football.

To put in perspective how bad 3.4 YPC is: Trent Richardson's career average is 3.3 YPC. How good is 5.3 YPC? Jim Brown's career average is 5.2 YPC.

Trent Richardson was a Goal Line Gawd in the AAF so whats your point huh?!?!

[Matty7478]

Also the "efficiency" argument is just silly as a point to vote for someone over someone else with 2x the TDs and 3.5x the pancakes. If an RB rushes for 3.4 ypc they get a first down every 3 downs. Anything after that is bonus. What should matter way more than how quickly a player produces positive plays for an offense is the number of positive plays they produce, especially when it directly gets points on the board.

Ah yes, this is why RBs that can average 3.4 ypc are a hot commodity in all levels of football.

To put in perspective how bad 3.4 YPC is: Trent Richardson's career average is 3.3 YPC. How good is 5.3 YPC? Jim Brown's career average is 5.2 YPC.

Jim Brown also averaged 14 TDs in a season. Trent Richardson averaged 6.33.

And if we really think 3.4 ypc is so terribly disqualifying, Toriki was as close to that number (3.8 ypc) as Nakamura was to her (4.2 ypc), while also leading Nakamura by fewer TDs than he leads Rotchburns by (20 vs 15 vs 7). The inconsistency of voters there is appalling, no wonder some people think they must be biased for certain teams.

Man, this is tough to watch, it ain’t that important lad

[mithrandir]

Also the "efficiency" argument is just silly as a point to vote for someone over someone else with 2x the TDs and 3.5x the pancakes. If an RB rushes for 3.4 ypc they get a first down every 3 downs. Anything after that is bonus. What should matter way more than how quickly a player produces positive plays for an offense is the number of positive plays they produce, especially when it directly gets points on the board.

Ah yes, this is why RBs that can average 3.4 ypc are a hot commodity in all levels of football.

To put in perspective how bad 3.4 YPC is: Trent Richardson's career average is 3.3 YPC. How good is 5.3 YPC? Jim Brown's career average is 5.2 YPC.

Jim Brown also averaged 14 TDs in a season. Trent Richardson averaged 6.33.

And if we really think 3.4 ypc is so terribly disqualifying, Toriki was as close to that number (3.8 ypc) as Nakamura was to her (4.2 ypc), while also leading Nakamura by fewer TDs than he leads Rotchburns by (20 vs 15 vs 7). The inconsistency of voters there is appalling, no wonder some people think they must be biased for certain teams.

Ok, that's a fair argument. Toriki might not have deserved it. But this "voter bias" theory is a little paranoid and completely baseless. I refer you to Modern Duke's yearly awards voting bias media, in which NOLA and Bex consistently rank among the least biased voters in the league. Plus, even if Rotchburns or Toriki are taken out I am not sure if you make it in still. You were eighth in rushing yards in the ASFC.

[qWest]

Also the "efficiency" argument is just silly as a point to vote for someone over someone else with 2x the TDs and 3.5x the pancakes. If an RB rushes for 3.4 ypc they get a first down every 3 downs. Anything after that is bonus. What should matter way more than how quickly a player produces positive plays for an offense is the number of positive plays they produce, especially when it directly gets points on the board.

Ah yes, this is why RBs that can average 3.4 ypc are a hot commodity in all levels of football.

To put in perspective how bad 3.4 YPC is: Trent Richardson's career average is 3.3 YPC. How good is 5.3 YPC? Jim Brown's career average is 5.2 YPC.

Jim Brown also averaged 14 TDs in a season. Trent Richardson averaged 6.33.

And if we really think 3.4 ypc is so terribly disqualifying, Toriki was as close to that number (3.8 ypc) as Nakamura was to her (4.2 ypc), while also leading Nakamura by fewer TDs than he leads Rotchburns by (20 vs 15 vs 7). The inconsistency of voters there is appalling, no wonder some people think they must be biased for certain teams.

Ok, that's a fair argument. Toriki might not have deserved it. But this "voter bias" theory is a little paranoid and completely baseless. I refer you to Modern Duke's yearly awards voting bias media, in which NOLA and Bex consistently rank among the least biased voters in the league. Plus, even if Rotchburns or Toriki are taken out I am not sure if you make it in still. You were eighth in rushing yards in the ASFC.

I'm not even saying I agree with that theory. I've read through each of MDs articles, and it's clear that bias rarely comes up, it seems to be much more random than anything that could be declared bias. I agree though, probably shouldn't have brought it up at all.

But no, coming out of awards committee it was pretty clear that Nakamura, all stats considered as a package, definitely had the third best RB year in the ASFC. INB4 someone else tries to call me pathetic, but if none of this mattered, I wouldn't spend so much of my time on a fake dot football league in the first place. I can't change this season, but it's become more and clear that the problem with awards and Pro Bowl aren't bias, it's a lack of in-depth research and consideration that we see from the voters resulting in more and more inconsistent and questionable choices. That's only going to become more of an issue with the greater depth of statistical resources we'll have next season to determine player performance in all positions.

[mithrandir]

Ah yes, this is why RBs that can average 3.4 ypc are a hot commodity in all levels of football.

To put in perspective how bad 3.4 YPC is: Trent Richardson's career average is 3.3 YPC. How good is 5.3 YPC? Jim Brown's career average is 5.2 YPC.

Jim Brown also averaged 14 TDs in a season. Trent Richardson averaged 6.33.

And if we really think 3.4 ypc is so terribly disqualifying, Toriki was as close to that number (3.8 ypc) as Nakamura was to her (4.2 ypc), while also leading Nakamura by fewer TDs than he leads Rotchburns by (20 vs 15 vs 7). The inconsistency of voters there is appalling, no wonder some people think they must be biased for certain teams.

Ok, that's a fair argument. Toriki might not have deserved it. But this "voter bias" theory is a little paranoid and completely baseless. I refer you to Modern Duke's yearly awards voting bias media, in which NOLA and Bex consistently rank among the least biased voters in the league. Plus, even if Rotchburns or Toriki are taken out I am not sure if you make it in still. You were eighth in rushing yards in the ASFC.

I'm not even saying I agree with that theory. I've read through each of MDs articles, and it's clear that bias rarely comes up, it seems to be much more random than anything that could be declared bias. I agree though, probably shouldn't have brought it up at all.

But no, coming out of awards committee it was pretty clear that Nakamura, all stats considered as a package, definitely had the third best RB year in the ASFC. INB4 someone else tries to call me pathetic, but if none of this mattered, I wouldn't spend so much of my time on a fake dot football league in the first place. I can't change this season, but it's become more and clear that the problem with awards and Pro Bowl aren't bias, it's a lack of in-depth research and consideration that we see from the voters resulting in more and more inconsistent and questionable choices. That's only going to become more of an issue with the greater depth of statistical resources we'll have next season to determine player performance in all positions.

I don't think it is pathetic at all to be really invested in this hobby we've all put a lot of time and energy into. I do believe that some voters do not put a lot of thought and research into their ballots, and I agree with your fear that the greater availability of statistical information in the new sim will make little difference on how some teams and HO members vote.