soevil Conduct Detrimental

[Jimi64]

Appeal. The characterization of “sent harassing messages to and about members of the league” is highly inaccurate and slanderous.

How about if instead of appealing and digging your heels in you just maybe, I don't know, stop being a dick? Crazy thought, I know; but, it might just be crazy enough to work.

former dick here, this is the best strategy

proud of you

[soevil]

Appeal. The characterization of “sent harassing messages to and about members of the league” is highly inaccurate and slanderous.

How about if instead of appealing and digging your heels in you just maybe, I don't know, stop being a dick? Crazy thought, I know; but, it might just be crazy enough to work.

Sir, what? I have been accused of "disliking" messages from months ago, sending a "vomit gif", typing "FTY", and making a "veiled comment about being punished for making a joke". C'mon, what are we talking about here? The worst I did was call a player a B**** and I owned up to that, and expressed I thought they were okay with that type of trash talk. You, literally with this comment, in my opinion is more "being a dick" than I have been.

Let's be real here: you've consistently been unprofessional in the Rookie Discord and ISFL General channels enough time to have multiple people not only raise concerns but also speak directly to you about your conduct. I've been in this league for over two years now, and trust me, it takes a lot for people to actually get hit with the Conduct Detrimental punishment. Instead of deflecting blame and trying to brush everything off as being, "in character" or, "just a joke, bro" maybe you should just take a time out and consider that just maybe you're being a poor representative of the league for new users.

For the record, I thought you were a great dude when we first chatted way back when you joined. That being said, you need to just cool it. There's no need to be such an ass to a team or players for that team, even if you claim it's all an act.

But at this point, its just determining what being an "ass" is, and whether or not that is actually detrimental to the league. This is me being sincere: are we not allowed to dislike another team, or even other users? I've seen it since I've been here. I've made my stance known that I don't like the Yeti, much like they don't like me. And that's OKAY. This is making me out to be some sort of serial stalker sending message after message to users, and that is absolutely not the case.

[SchwarzNarr]

Appeal. The characterization of “sent harassing messages to and about members of the league” is highly inaccurate and slanderous.

How about if instead of appealing and digging your heels in you just maybe, I don't know, stop being a dick? Crazy thought, I know; but, it might just be crazy enough to work.

Sir, what? I have been accused of "disliking" messages from months ago, sending a "vomit gif", typing "FTY", and making a "veiled comment about being punished for making a joke". C'mon, what are we talking about here? The worst I did was call a player a B**** and I owned up to that, and expressed I thought they were okay with that type of trash talk. You, literally with this comment, in my opinion is more "being a dick" than I have been.

Let's be real here: you've consistently been unprofessional in the Rookie Discord and ISFL General channels enough time to have multiple people not only raise concerns but also speak directly to you about your conduct. I've been in this league for over two years now, and trust me, it takes a lot for people to actually get hit with the Conduct Detrimental punishment. Instead of deflecting blame and trying to brush everything off as being, "in character" or, "just a joke, bro" maybe you should just take a time out and consider that just maybe you're being a poor representative of the league for new users.

For the record, I thought you were a great dude when we first chatted way back when you joined. That being said, you need to just cool it. There's no need to be such an ass to a team or players for that team, even if you claim it's all an act.

Adding to this: there's a time and a place for in character beefs. Unless it's a roleplay channel in discord, discord isn't one of those places. Beef in media, beef as your character, but when you are posting as "Soevil" you are posting as yourself, your user, not your character. That's not beefing at that point, that's just being rude.

[Jimi64]

The punishment is also only a timeout, what is the recourse when the day after it lapses he reengages in his behavior? There is no deterrent in this ruling to prevent the behavior in the future.

maybe I’m misunderstanding what you’re saying, but I believe that’s what’s covered in the second paragraph

Edit: I did in fact misunderstand.

Still though, I think you’d see an escalated punishment based on past offenses.

What past offenses, if I may ask?

I just meant if you were punished again after the probation, whatever this warning is based on would be considered your past offenses that would escalate a second punishment.

I don’t actually know you or what you’ve said

[SwankyPants31]

"Beefing" or "roleplaying a character" is only a thing when both parties involved consent to it. Otherwise, it's just harassment. Seems like a pretty clear line to me.

[soevil]

Appeal. The characterization of “sent harassing messages to and about members of the league” is highly inaccurate and slanderous.

How about if instead of appealing and digging your heels in you just maybe, I don't know, stop being a dick? Crazy thought, I know; but, it might just be crazy enough to work.

Sir, what? I have been accused of "disliking" messages from months ago, sending a "vomit gif", typing "FTY", and making a "veiled comment about being punished for making a joke". C'mon, what are we talking about here? The worst I did was call a player a B**** and I owned up to that, and expressed I thought they were okay with that type of trash talk. You, literally with this comment, in my opinion is more "being a dick" than I have been.

Let's be real here: you've consistently been unprofessional in the Rookie Discord and ISFL General channels enough time to have multiple people not only raise concerns but also speak directly to you about your conduct. I've been in this league for over two years now, and trust me, it takes a lot for people to actually get hit with the Conduct Detrimental punishment. Instead of deflecting blame and trying to brush everything off as being, "in character" or, "just a joke, bro" maybe you should just take a time out and consider that just maybe you're being a poor representative of the league for new users.

For the record, I thought you were a great dude when we first chatted way back when you joined. That being said, you need to just cool it. There's no need to be such an ass to a team or players for that team, even if you claim it's all an act.

Adding to this: there's a time and a place for in character beefs. Unless it's a roleplay channel in discord, discord isn't one of those places. Beef in media, beef as your character, but when you are posting as "Soevil" you are posting as yourself, your user, not your character. That's not beefing at that point, that's just being rude.

Which is fine and understandable. Part of the offenses are "beef in media" - referring to Twitter. (which is stated in the rules counts for conduct detrimental, but I believe should be changed).

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CB: Cedric Wilkins II
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[soevil]

"Beefing" or "roleplaying a character" is only a thing when both parties involved consent to it. Otherwise, it's just harassment. Seems like a pretty clear line to me.

Correct! Hence why I stopped interacting with you in discord. Who do I ask to get consent to "talk trash" to a pretend sim football team? That's where I think the line is. Only one of my comments ever targeted a specific user, and I apologized to them. This is where my issue lies, outside of that, how can any of this be seen as harrassment?

[slothfacekilla]

someone do a thread team

edit: damn numbers didn't put me on it

[TheNC206]

Im selling popcorn if anyone wants some

1 Bag = 10 TPE