(01-18-2023, 12:43 PM)zaynzk Wrote: One thing I will say about the speed of isfl HO, is that SHL HO was sitting on some very bigoted stuff from him for over two weeks before deciding to ban him.W
I was shocked how much info they had on zap once I started talking to SHL mains. Isfl making a decision based on his actions in other leagues is definitely a tough one to cross as we have had many members in different leagues been suspended for a week or two for personal attacks but had no consequences in the isfl.
Obviously this is another level and I am glad zap got the hammer but I feel like the way HO handled this was ok as zap was removed from all league spaces and then banned after they had a decision
(01-18-2023, 12:39 PM)soevil Wrote:(01-18-2023, 12:37 PM)Raven Wrote:(01-18-2023, 12:35 PM)124715 Wrote:(01-18-2023, 12:28 PM)Mooty99 Wrote: Thread team when? Hurry up numbersAsk and you shall receive very not cash money
I have many thoughts and regrets about how this situation went down (including the fact that we suspended this guy in SHL instead of instantly banning him as soon as we found out who he was in another league and the atrocious way he'd behaved there).
but mostly, I'm just glad he's gone, everywhere. He dragged me into drama I didn't have any interest in being a part of, took it to another entirely different league where we'd never even interacted (pretty sure he didn't know I was here or maybe he would have written media telling me to "know my role" here as well), and I hope all of us in all of the leagues that have been subject to this shit show can learn something from this and do better next time. (01-18-2023, 12:36 PM)unconfident Wrote:You better check yourself before you wreck yourself.(01-18-2023, 12:35 PM)124715 Wrote:concerning CB corps(01-18-2023, 12:28 PM)Mooty99 Wrote: Thread team when? Hurry up numbersAsk and you shall receive (01-18-2023, 12:33 PM)Yeenoghu Wrote: Here is my opinion that will quickly get swept away by the deluge of posts--I greatly appreciate this response as it very efficiently ties up my personal thoughts on the situation and I largely agree with it. Perhaps HO could have made the post saying that he was indefinitely suspended, and looking back we should have, however we cannot go back and change the past. The reason we did not is because we did not want to put out a post that could very well seem half-assed and ingenuine stating that we can't ban him yet because the rules are not allowing it. We opted to take a definitive stance once rather than a stance that could well have been seen as weak and insufficient, then follow it up with a definitive stance, because that would have seemed ingenuine after that as well - and we wanted to approach it this way because we wanted it to be abundantly clear that hatred and bigotry has no place in this league. I also want to address the notion that a message not coming from the commissioner is not sufficient - I apologize that I was asleep when the announcement went up and that we did not delay for me to be able to post it and instead sent it out as soon as possible once the rule passed. I consider any member of HO to be a leader of the league and WELL within their right to be able to post something like this and I am VERY happy that they felt they could do so without my approval.
01-18-2023, 01:17 PM
(This post was last modified: 01-18-2023, 01:22 PM by Memento Mori. Edited 2 times in total.)
Can I make a rule suggestion here? Then hopefully someone in management picks it up and either submits it now as an emergency rule proposal or they do it at the end of the season. With the addition to the rule referenced in the OP, IX.C.1 would read:
C. Conduct and Punishment Conduct Detrimental to the League is any user action that is reported to HO and meets two or more of the below criteria. Reports made to head office should include screenshots of the offensive behavior whenever possible. Reports will be investigated and, if any of the above criteria are found to be met, the user will be suspended from the spaces where the offending behavior occurred and may face additional penalties in the forms of fines or player suspensions. Repeated offenses will result in heavier fines and/or lengthier suspensions or permanent bans as deemed necessary. a. Takes place in an official league owned space, including but not limited to: General chat Rookie chat Management chat Forums b. Takes place in a public facing area that clearly represents the league as a whole, including but not limited to: Player or team twitter accounts Forums such as reddit recruitment threads c. Contains NSFW imagery d. Contains hateful or offensive language e. Takes place in any online or public space and; (1) would meet the requirements of this rule if it took place in an official league owned space or public facing area and (2) can reasonably be confirmed as the same person with an account in the ISFL and (3) there exists reasonable suspicion that similar offenses will occur in an ISFL space." IX.C.3 (below) defines a suspension: 3. Suspension a. Definition: a punishment whereby the user’s access to the site and any official league Discord channels is revoked for less than one year, including revocation for an unspecified period of time. b. Player Implications i. In cases of a suspension , unless otherwise specified by HO, the player associated with the user will be treated as IA. Thus, the player will be able to finish the rest of the season with the team from the point of the suspension and will be unable to exercise or waive any contract options or clauses. Any pending updates and bank purchases will be processed. The player will not immediately lose eligibility for any awards unless otherwise specified. The user will immediately lose eligibility for any awards until such time as the suspension is lifted, unless otherwise specified. The player will be considered IA according to the normal rules for the purposes of the DSFL (two weeks after the suspended user’s last meaningful forum activity). User Implications A suspended user’s access to team Locker Rooms is at the discretion of the team GMs. Any pending bank transactions, bets, or casino assets are paid out as if the user was IA, except that auto-purchases (such as Dotts) are automatically terminated. I'd suggest adding an additional section to IX.C.1 (so that it doesn't interfere with the use of suspensions for other punishments), as below: Code: f. If a member of Head Office believes that a user has met two of the criteria above, they may issue a temporary suspension pending Head Office's collective and final decision. This will be done by making a post in the Punishments section of the forum stating that the user has been temporarily suspended pending the outcome of Head Office's investigation into the user's conduct. Temporary suspensions will be for a stated period of no more than 7 days and may be ended at any time by a Head Office member editing the original post issuing the suspension. This would give HO the ability to act quickly in cases of obvious rulebreaking, and communicate it to the whole league (not just other leadership/management), and make them accountable in that a member of HO will be publicly stating that they believe the user has performed conduct detrimental to the league so no one would be tempted to abuse this power unless they fancied being kicked out of HO. Mess with the wording slightly if appropriate. Also, edit to say that Mag (you're still Mag to me until I get used to you having a new name) and Laser summed it up well - I'm not mad about the situation just think you could go an extra step to address many of the concerns. It also takes out of some of the urgency from a Head Office perspective seeing as they're people with lives outside of here. [OPTION]S24 (PHI): 16 GP, 73 tackles, 1 TFL, 2 FF, 3 sacks, 5 INTs, 10 PDs, 2 TDs
[OPTION]S25 (PHI): 16 GP, 67 tackles, 4 INTs, 13 PDs, 1 TD [OPTION]S26 (OCO): 16 GP, 68 tackles, 1 TFL, 1 sack, 2 INTs, 10 PDs [OPTION]S27 (OCO): 16 GP, 116 tackles, 4 INTs, 23 PDs, 1 TD [OPTION]S28 (OCO): 16 GP, 84 tackles, 1 FF, 1 FR, 3 INTs, 20 PDs, 1 TD [OPTION]S29 (OCO): 16 GP, 99 tackles, 3 FF, 1 FR, 5 INTs, 23 PDs, 1 TD [OPTION]============================================================= [OPTION]ISFL Playoff Stats: [OPTION]S23 (PHI): 1 GP, 2 tackles [OPTION]S26 (OCO): 1 GP, 5 tackles, 2 PDs [OPTION]============================================================= [OPTION]Trophies and Achievements: [OPTION]Drafted 35th Overall by Myrtle Beach in the S21 DSFL Draft [OPTION]S21 Ultimini Champion [OPTION]S21 DSFL Pro Bowl Selection [OPTION]S21 DSFL Defensive Back of the Year Nominee [OPTION]Drafted 4th Overall by Philadelphia in the S22 ISFL Draft [OPTION]S23 ISFL Pro Bowl Selection [OPTION]S23 ISFL Cornerback of the Year Nominee [OPTION]S23 ISFL Defensive Performance of the Year Nominee [OPTION]S24 ISFL Pro Bowl Selection [OPTION]S24 ISFL Cornerback of the Year Nominee [OPTION]S26 ISFL Pro Bowl Selection
[OPTION]S26 ISFL Returner of the Year Nominee [OPTION]S29 ISFL Pro Bowl Selection [OPTION]S29 ISFL Cornerback of the Year Nominee [OPTION]============================================================= Player | Update | Wiki | Twitter (01-18-2023, 01:17 PM)Memento Mori Wrote: Can I make a rule suggestion here? Then hopefully someone in management picks it up and either submits it now as an emergency rule proposal or they do it at the end of the season. With the addition to the rule referenced in the OP, IX.C.1 would read: I think this is a wise idea and have already drafted something similar to propose at the rule summit at the end of the season. (01-18-2023, 12:40 PM)frazzle14 Wrote:(01-18-2023, 12:35 PM)124715 Wrote:(01-18-2023, 12:28 PM)Mooty99 Wrote: Thread team when? Hurry up numbersAsk and you shall receive Git gud scrub |
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