*Why Your Team Sucks: Special Edition

[infinitempg]

tfw the thread goes from roasting HO and gucci to roasting YTB

[JPach]

There’s a class of players who subsist as max earners solely off of league jobs, which is why I call into question non-transparent hiring processes, conflicts of interests, and scarcity of opportunities for players to get hired for jobs.

Hi that's me.

Hell I'm on my second player that is subsisting entirely off the money I earned circa S5-S14ish, yeah it's a ton of money that you can earn if you do a lot of stuff. I was simmer, draft streamer, awards streamer, banker, sim tester/balancer, DSFL GM. Maybe other things as well that I forgot.

But you want to know why I did all those things? Because I wanted the league to be a better place and I knew I could do these jobs really well. And I did them damn well and earned every penny of that fake internet money. Offseason draft and awards streams would usually be about 10 hours of work. Offseason sim file work was easily another 10 hours. Often all that happened in the same week. During the season sim work would usually take around 2 hours per sim week so about 8 hours a week. Some of that was active work some was just file converting. Sometimes it took more or less. That's not including my work as a DSFL GM or the three or so seasons I spent on sim balancing work.

So yeah I might have earned $30-40m in job pay in one good season. But that also took me close to 60 hours worth of work. It would have been a whole lot less work to instead write 9 or 10 2500 word articles to get the same amount of money. It was never about the money, or "power" (wtf is sim league power???). It was about wanting to make a game that I really enjoyed be as good as it could possibly be.

In the seasons you listed there weren’t 22 teams worth of players trying to get those jobs. You did those because you were the best option. Somehow we’ve reached a point where the easiest job to get is GM. Which is not a good thing for anyone imo.

I am also now in this space where I am a simmer, RM, draft streamer, awards streamer, and prospect bowl simmer and streamer. I make what $28m on small seasons, and when the prospect bowl is huge like S25 and S22 probably $34m. I'd love to talk about who I should've hired besides the 3 rookies I've hired to the sim team in the past 2 seasons not to mention the other 2 people to stream team. 4 of the 5 had no other league jobs as of when they were hired. Luckily I do not max earn because I choose not to do PTs but now as a Simmer I get a PT pass. But if you are telling me 10 hours every week + 8-10 hours for file setup for sim team is less work than writing 7500 words? Idk man. But yeah I'd love to have this convo with you because, as a narcissist, I can only feel like you are talking at me.

[Air Crou]

TIL @infinitempg is a class act tbh

just trying me best

You lmfao'd LXIX and LXX, so nah /s

[gucci]

There’s a class of players who subsist as max earners solely off of league jobs, which is why I call into question non-transparent hiring processes, conflicts of interests, and scarcity of opportunities for players to get hired for jobs.

Hi that's me.

Hell I'm on my second player that is subsisting entirely off the money I earned circa S5-S14ish, yeah it's a ton of money that you can earn if you do a lot of stuff. I was simmer, draft streamer, awards streamer, banker, sim tester/balancer, DSFL GM. Maybe other things as well that I forgot.

But you want to know why I did all those things? Because I wanted the league to be a better place and I knew I could do these jobs really well. And I did them damn well and earned every penny of that fake internet money. Offseason draft and awards streams would usually be about 10 hours of work. Offseason sim file work was easily another 10 hours. Often all that happened in the same week. During the season sim work would usually take around 2 hours per sim week so about 8 hours a week. Some of that was active work some was just file converting. Sometimes it took more or less. That's not including my work as a DSFL GM or the three or so seasons I spent on sim balancing work.

So yeah I might have earned $30-40m in job pay in one good season. But that also took me close to 60 hours worth of work. It would have been a whole lot less work to instead write 9 or 10 2500 word articles to get the same amount of money. It was never about the money, or "power" (wtf is sim league power???). It was about wanting to make a game that I really enjoyed be as good as it could possibly be.

In the seasons you listed there weren’t 22 teams worth of players trying to get those jobs. You did those because you were the best option. Somehow we’ve reached a point where the easiest job to get is GM. Which is not a good thing for anyone imo.

I am also now in this space where I am a simmer, RM,  draft streamer, awards streamer, and prospect bowl simmer and streamer. I make what $28m on small seasons, and when the prospect bowl is huge like S25 and S22 probably $34m. I'd love to talk about who I should've hired besides the 3 rookies I've hired to the sim team in the past 2 seasons not to mention the other 2 people to stream team. 4 of the 5 had no other league jobs as of when they were hired. Luckily I do not max earn because I choose not to do PTs but now as a Simmer I get a PT pass. But if you are telling me 10 hours every week + 8-10 hours for file setup for sim team is less work than writing 7500 words? Idk man. But yeah I'd love to have this convo with you because, as a narcissist, I can only feel like you are talking at me.

I’m confused at what you’re mad about. Simmer was combined to be the same person as streamer before you ever joined the league, so maybe you do or don’t know that, I won’t assume either way. Splitting those jobs back up would allow you to get tons of free time back while still making enough to max earn when combined with your rookie mentor job. Idk if that’s what you were suggesting you wanted, but it always made sense to me when it was done that way and creates another high paying job.

Other than that it sounds like you have one other job, rookie mentor, a job that everyone knows that there is a literal waiting list of high quality applicants that they don’t have room for on the team. If you can explain to me why you should have that job (when already holding a position that pays you enough to max earn) over the literal dozens of other high quality wait listers, some with $0 in current job income, I’d love to hear it.

Obviously I appreciate what you do for the league, everyone does. When TC held all those positions at once, at times it was necessary to literally hold the league together. That’s no longer the case. In my opinion, your current arrangement is exactly the kind of excess we should strive to avoid as a league. It would certainly help in evening out economic opportunity in a league where earning above the minimum in salary makes you a burden and the only other options are writing (not for everyone), graphics (requires talent, prohibitively expensive software, and skill), and games of chance.

[JPach]

There’s a class of players who subsist as max earners solely off of league jobs, which is why I call into question non-transparent hiring processes, conflicts of interests, and scarcity of opportunities for players to get hired for jobs.

Hi that's me.

Hell I'm on my second player that is subsisting entirely off the money I earned circa S5-S14ish, yeah it's a ton of money that you can earn if you do a lot of stuff. I was simmer, draft streamer, awards streamer, banker, sim tester/balancer, DSFL GM. Maybe other things as well that I forgot.

But you want to know why I did all those things? Because I wanted the league to be a better place and I knew I could do these jobs really well. And I did them damn well and earned every penny of that fake internet money. Offseason draft and awards streams would usually be about 10 hours of work. Offseason sim file work was easily another 10 hours. Often all that happened in the same week. During the season sim work would usually take around 2 hours per sim week so about 8 hours a week. Some of that was active work some was just file converting. Sometimes it took more or less. That's not including my work as a DSFL GM or the three or so seasons I spent on sim balancing work.

So yeah I might have earned $30-40m in job pay in one good season. But that also took me close to 60 hours worth of work. It would have been a whole lot less work to instead write 9 or 10 2500 word articles to get the same amount of money. It was never about the money, or "power" (wtf is sim league power???). It was about wanting to make a game that I really enjoyed be as good as it could possibly be.

In the seasons you listed there weren’t 22 teams worth of players trying to get those jobs. You did those because you were the best option. Somehow we’ve reached a point where the easiest job to get is GM. Which is not a good thing for anyone imo.

I am also now in this space where I am a simmer, RM,  draft streamer, awards streamer, and prospect bowl simmer and streamer. I make what $28m on small seasons, and when the prospect bowl is huge like S25 and S22 probably $34m. I'd love to talk about who I should've hired besides the 3 rookies I've hired to the sim team in the past 2 seasons not to mention the other 2 people to stream team. 4 of the 5 had no other league jobs as of when they were hired. Luckily I do not max earn because I choose not to do PTs but now as a Simmer I get a PT pass. But if you are telling me 10 hours every week + 8-10 hours for file setup for sim team is less work than writing 7500 words? Idk man. But yeah I'd love to have this convo with you because, as a narcissist, I can only feel like you are talking at me.

I’m confused at what you’re mad about. Simmer was combined to be the same person as streamer before you ever joined the league, so maybe you do or don’t know that, I won’t assume either way. Splitting those jobs back up would allow you to get tons of free time back while still making enough to max earn when combined with your rookie mentor job. Idk if that’s what you were suggesting you wanted, but it always made sense to me when it was done that way and creates another high paying job.

Other than that it sounds like you have one other job, rookie mentor, a job that everyone knows that there is a literal waiting list of high quality applicants that they don’t have room for on the team. If you can explain to me why you should have that job (when already holding a position that pays you enough to max earn) over the literal dozens of other high quality wait listers, some with $0 in current job income, I’d love to hear it.

Obviously I appreciate what you do for the league, everyone does. When TC held all those positions at once, at times it was necessary to literally hold the league together. That’s no longer the case. In my opinion, your current arrangement is exactly the kind of excess we should strive to avoid as a league. It would certainly help in evening out economic opportunity in a league where earning above the minimum in salary makes you a burden and the only other options are writing (not for everyone), graphics (requires talent, prohibitively expensive software, and skill), and games of chance.

I'm not particularly mad, I just don't know who else you'd be talking about because I'm big idiot dumdum and I'd love to get a different perspective then mine on this one.

Simmer and Streamer are separate jobs as it stands, right now our DSFL Streamer is Asylum Party, and our new ISFL streamer is Vegan Velociraptor (or Peterson who knows what he wants to be called), Draft and Awards streaming is done via the events teams and I picked it up because infinite was sick of doing it, since I've started doing it I think I've had 0 people ask me if they could take my button clicky jobs. If they have asked it is unbeknownst to me :shrug: If people do want to clicky button, please send me a message on discord at JPach#1743 and we can see if you have what it takes lmao. However, if I gave up all my offseason stuff I'd make $21m a season between simming and being a RM, which puts me $0.5m above what you need to pay for all 7 weeks of max weekly training and Tier 6 equipment. As someone who cannot use the casino because of sim team, has never thought about writing a piece of media, doesn't want to make gfx, I find it a perfect valid way to get my fill of money in this league as with only $32m in their bank account as of writing this post I am definitely not in the wealthy majority as there are plenty of rookies I know who have more than double my bank account.

This being said, I also think money is a joke and that their is absolutely 0 reason to amass wealth in this kind of league. I don't think people should care who has a fuck ton of money and who doesn't because what it comes down to is that if you take out all the "carnivals and buffets" (Is that what you called it) all you need to be a max earner is $20.5m a season. Which, can be broken up pretty easily, You can probably pretty easily coax $3m out of your ISFL GMs because most teams do have the people who can take min because they write media or have big league jobs. 2500 words is $5~ m, an hour long podcast is $4m, gfx pays money, twitter is 400k a week (?), Fantasy football gives you $1m for drafting, you can bet but you might end up like scorp, and of course league jobs. And of course, you can make $2m if you come up with a community event which could be skribbl.io (which is free on the internet). And if you don't have time to do any of this, you wouldn't have time for a league job anyway so why argue that more people need them. (This is a rant not exactly positioned at you gucci)

In regards to why I hold a RM position, I made changes to the rookie guide, I made a video on how to do your first update, and am working on updating that video and the create a player video to the new forum, I approved probably 2/3rds of the reddit class, and, honestly, I just have tons of time to answer questions that rookies have as well as a pretty good hold on how the league works. In response to "a job that everyone knows that there is a literal waiting list of high quality applicants that they don’t have room for on the team.", at the start of the last season, not the current hiring (I have no idea how many people have applied), we had 5(6?) applicants, and we hired 2 of them onto a team that already consisted of 7, which put us up to 9. I don't think 5-6 applicants is a particularly substantial number, especially when we hire 33% of them. I'm sure this year we will hire 3-4 RMs depending on who the applicants are.

I agree that sometimes people hire the people they know, that is why I make it a priority in the places where I do influence hires to try to hire very qualified rookies, or at least people who don't have league jobs and want to get involved. But I think that expecting people to pigeon hole themselves into one department is a little bit limiting and not the most practical of ideas as people with a lot of time and interest in multiple departments should be allowed to do so.

[iamslm22]

This man has lost his mind. Never mind that he's just throwing stones without any recommendations on how to fix ANY of the things he pointed out.

I would love constructive feedback on how to make the appeals team hiring process more transparent. As someone who has been in charge of MULTIPLE hiring groups in the league, it's been done the exact same way in each group. We take applications, we read applications, we vote on applications.

This is about how I would sum this up too

[Beaver]

HO sucks















(the job not the people)

[scorycory]

In regards to why I hold a RM position, I made changes to the rookie guide, I made a video on how to do your first update, and am working on updating that video and the create a player video to the new forum, I approved probably 2/3rds of the reddit class, and, honestly, I just have tons of time to answer questions that rookies have as well as a pretty good hold on how the league works.

You approved 30 total players in the s25 class which was around 150 players. Not even 1/4 let alone 2/3. Taking credit for your own work is all well and good man but no need to take credit for shit you didn't do.

[Memento Mori]

In regards to why I hold a RM position, I made changes to the rookie guide, I made a video on how to do your first update, and am working on updating that video and the create a player video to the new forum, I approved probably 2/3rds of the reddit class, and, honestly, I just have tons of time to answer questions that rookies have as well as a pretty good hold on how the league works.

You approved 30 total players in the s25 class which was around 150 players. Not even 1/4 let alone 2/3. Taking credit for your own work is all well and good man but no need to take credit for shit you didn't do.

[JPach]

In regards to why I hold a RM position, I made changes to the rookie guide, I made a video on how to do your first update, and am working on updating that video and the create a player video to the new forum, I approved probably 2/3rds of the reddit class, and, honestly, I just have tons of time to answer questions that rookies have as well as a pretty good hold on how the league works.

You approved 30 total players in the s25 class which was around 150 players. Not even 1/4 let alone 2/3. Taking credit for your own work is all well and good man but no need to take credit for shit you didn't do.

Fair enough, I didn't actually count because I couldn't be bothered because this argument doesn't really matter and I don't need to start shit with any other RMs because they are beautiful but I did sit there for 4-5 hours on recruitment day alone (because work and timezones completely valid) and help users, approve players, and monitor the r/nfl post with the Rookie Mentor ISFL reddit account. Probably just my own confirmation bias and narcissism. But there is no reason for him to question why I am an RM.