*Why Your Team Sucks: Special Edition

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IM NOT SUS

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ALRIGHT WE'RE DOING THIS NOT LIKE I HAVE AN AWARDS SHOW TO GET DONE FOR TONIGHT

In this edition of Why Your Team Sucks, I've set my sights a little higher. I will be providing honest criticism of the teams that run the league through 95 individual theses. My particular focus will be on Head Office since I'm currently very upset with them. I provide my criticisms, then of course propose a plan in which we could improve upon the current system. If this pisses any one off, sorry, not sorry. This will for the most part lack the normal humorous undertones of a WYTS article, and instead focus on things about the league that I honestly think suck. Enjoy!

Alright starting off, seriously don't harsh on gucci's jam for posting criticism of Head Office. Criticism is important! As we've seen in (even recent) league history and real history, sometimes it takes a big public stand against injustices that are ignored for them to gain widespread attention and action.

That being said as a Head Office member, I do think it's worth my time to defend ourselves, even if I'm on the way out. Is Head Office perfect? Absolutely not. But we try our best, and inevitably we make really dumb mistakes.

95 Theses

Okay, I'm not going to cover all 95 since some of them are obviously meant to just get to 95 for the historical memez. (Future infinite here - this is a lie)

I. Head Office is broken because there is no established accountability for their actions.

Appeals team exists? So does the owner, slm. We actually established a method for removal of a Head Office member this past season. I don't know if it's already in the rulebook, but I can go into more detail at a future time - not sure if it's still in progress or not.

II. As long as they are internally promoted through a completely non-transparent process, there will be no change.

This is a common critique I have seen - I'm not entirely sure what people want the HO promotion/hiring process to be. It's run the same way any department in the league hires, and run the same way GMs are hired. We want to see how well of a fit you are for a Head Office position. But I'm being serious - what do people want it to look like?

III. The lack of transparency extends well past HO hiring and plagues every action HO makes; including its rulings and voting record.

The main reason we don't publish who was on what side on HO voting is to not splinter Head Office into factions. As I've said many a time, Head Office often disagrees with itself, but in order to maintain stability (and our own sanities) Head Office needs to stand as a unit when a decision is made, and we respect each others' opinions enough that even if we disagree with the end ruling we still know that it was a reasonable stance to take.

IV. As long as HO has individual loyalties that extend beyond their HO duties, there is a basis to assume they're actions are biased.
V. As long as HO are able to hold multiple jobs and serve in war rooms, they have a conflict of interest in each position.

Okay let's break this down a bit. There's definitely bias in each individual HO member, but we generally recuse ourselves from any discussions that involve our team or where we are too biased to have an objective belief. The war room thing has been touched upon, and we generally are trying to make DSFL HO not be involved in their DSFL war rooms. I could see that being expanded to ISFL HO and ISFL war rooms, that would be a good stance against possible bias, but no matter what an HO member will be biased to the team they are on. I don't think anyone is seriously advocating HO not have players. I also think HO members generally make good war room members anyways, but I definitely understand the brewing conflict of interest.

VI. As long as HO holds a rule veto, they hold absolute power.

Rule vetoes exist so that if something clearly broken is passed via GM vote, it cannot be implemented. Absolute power? Maybe. Necessary? I think so. The buck stops with Head Office, and so that power is somewhat warranted in my opinion.

VII. Since the precedent set by the Dallas appeal of using backup bots, HO can create rules at any point without consent or approval from anyone else.

Okay, I'm not DSFL HO so I can't speak to the Dallas situation. But HO can create emergency rulings at any point without consent or GM approval when absolutely necessary in order to close a loophole or other unwanted behavior. Unchecked power? Maybe. But we rarely use this power at all.

VIII. This is a core tenet of authoritarian power structures.

Sir, this is an online dot football league, not a government.

IX. Any league has the need for strong rules and regulations, even a virtual one.
X. Anyone in charge of stewarding these rules is responsible for the consistent application of said rules.
XI. As it is, there is no consistency to HO's actions. Other than them accusing all those who point out their issues of being "mean".

I think we've been fairly consistent? We always look back towards precedent of older HO decisions before making a decision. Have we been perfect? Absolutely not. Also ur mean.

Nah I usually use "mean" sarcastically when I'm in Discord, but there is a serious issue in this league between HO and it's most vocal dissenters. Often times the dissent towards HO members (especially Bex) borders on verbal harassment and not a respectful discussion of the issues. If calling that out as "mean" is avoiding the issue, then call me a draft dodger.

XII. HO's main concern is maintaining control over the league and protecting their power.

What? We literally all want to die inside. We have been actively trying to take away responsibilities from Head Office and push them onto the appropriate departments so we don't have to have all the power and responsibility?

XIII. Many GMs who want to remain in good favor with HO, or are distrustful of their fellow GMs, voted to relinquish their checks on HO power and let them keep their absolute rule veto.

Has this ever gone up for a vote? And I would contend that the GMs who wish the veto stay understand why it exists. Are they distrustful of their fellow GMs? Probably.

XIV. HO has a track record of making poor and unpopular decisions. Through every iteration of the governing body.

Literally every decision is unpopular. Many decisions are seen as poor but ultimately necessary. Again, we make mistakes and I don't want to say every decision made during my time in HO is perfect. But ultimately I think we've done a good job.

XV. They are trusted with absolute power despite the qualifications for being on HO being unclear.

Okay first of all, appeals team exists. Want a list of qualifications for being HO? Have leadership qualities, understand the dynamics of the league and its structure, be a good and respectful listener, have a good sense of what is fair. There's no solid "you must have this" on that list - and that's because HO wants to hire those who have those soft skills/qualities.

XVI. Members of the league are either oblivious or too un-invested to demand a fair operating policy for the league.

I don't know if that's true? I do think a vast majority of users don't really care and go with the flow, but we very often have calls for members to be removed or policies to be changed by more active members of the league.

XVII. As seen by the incident in season 20/21, there is no established method to remove a member of HO. Just ad hoc methods created by the fellow HO members.
XVIII. Without codifying this process, you introduce further lack of accountability for HO members.
XIX. We have seen HO force members out due to public demand, this seems to be the only method to remove a member for abuse of power.

Wait, which issue is this? Is this DD-gate? That was created ad-hoc but was agreed upon by the other HO members and GMs together. And I'll remind you, that vote from HO was 2-1, so very much not unanimous.

Like I said above, a solid method to remove a member of HO (and the commissioner) has been put together between appeals, HO, and the league owner slm.  Public demand has always been a strong method of removal, but that ends up being resignation and not removal.

XX. HO have repeatedly shown that they will avoid taking responsibility for their own mistakes, choosing to place the burden of their actions on other parties.

Nah I take responsibility for my fuck ups. I literally fucked up Pro Bowl voting the other day and confused the hell out of the awards committee. I've misinterpreted rules and rulings before. We've (frequently) followed up on things too late. Are other parties also at fault for things? Absolutely.

XXI. HO have repeatedly shown the lack of ability to communicate at the level expected of a governing body.

What do you want us to do? Genuinely. We do newsletters, we generally hang out in announcement threads to clarify what happened, etc. Also, sir, this is an online dot football league.

XXII. HO have repeatedly shown that their top priority is league growth, rather than league stability.

This is actually something I somewhat agree with. Bex and I went back on forth on whether or not to go through with our most recent /r/NFL recruitment. Ultimately though, you don't look a gift horse in the mouth - more interested users means more engagement for the league and keeps things exciting. Do I think we're expanding too quickly and too often? Yes. But I also think even without /r/NFL recruitment we might have needed to expand anyways? The S15 expansion had significantly less actives involved in expansion drafts and the actual draft, so it's not unprecedented.

XXIII. GM turnover is hitting record highs, in no doubt due to the increasing demands placed on the position by HO.

Increasing demands? What increasing demands? Many GMs stepped down this season because of expansion. We also have a lot of long-time active GMs who were ready to move on with their characters or sim league career. I don't think this is an accurate portrayal of the GM turnover.

Also if we want to talk about turnover... look at how frequently HO turns over. We've lost a member every single season from being absolutely fried out, and I'm continuing the streak this season.

XXIV. The expansion process was designed by HO to protect their own loaded teams from suffering greater losses than other teams that haven't had time to accrue talent like they have.

1) The HO votes counted up as 1-3 on that proposal. I was the ONLY HO who supported the proposal.
2) I don't know that I would call Baltimore "loaded". Or Yellowknife. I know the "HOLA" meme is common, but technically COL has the most members between HOs.
3) If you go back to the S16 expansion draft, I also thought then that teams should lose equal amounts of players. AND I PROTECTED 3 INACTIVE PLAYERS IN COLORADO. It was sad.

XXV. HO has largely ignored creative efforts by teams to circumvent the expansion process as a whole, effectively encouraging the unsportsmanlike behavior.

If you're talking about Colorado players taking MOs on their contracts, I call bullshit. That has been standard operating procedure from the Colorado Yeti front office since S10. I can tell you that, because I was in the war room and Co-GM from S11-S15 and GM from S16-S17. Placing an MO on the final year allows the front office an easy cut if a player goes IA (an all too common occurrence in the history of the Yeti) or allows the player to leave early and/or re-sign at a min deal. Absolutely no instruction from the Yeti FO was given to players to use their options for circumventing expansion, despite what many of you have been told.

XXVI. If you want an example of HO abusing their power, look no further than the "Appeals Cases (x5)" thread where it's established that waiver abuse was encouraged by the DSFL commish and was completely ignored.

We ruled that TIJ should be punished? We also took that case from DSFL HO because there was too much bias there between the members (TIJ/MBB). Go after appeals team for that ruling.

XXVII. The Appeals team's job is to say no to HO when they're clearly wrong.

Sure. I don't know if I agree with "clearly wrong" but I do think Appeals is there to be a check on us. If we do something that seems wrong, they can overturn it. Despite HO's ability to not listen to the Appeals Team ruling, we always do. Should that right be removed? Probably.

XXVIII. As long as the Appeals Team has individual loyalties that extend beyond their Appeals Team duties, there is a basis to assume they're actions are biased.
XXIX. As long as the Appeals Team are able to hold multiple jobs and serve in war rooms, they have a conflict of interest in each position. Anonymously recusing does not solve this issue.

See IV. and V.

XXX. The vast majority of issues are handled well by HO.

Thanks?

XXXI. The Appeals Team exists to better handle the cases that are not.
XXXII. If the Appeals Team cannot uphold the responsibility established in thesis XXVII, they should not exist.

I argue they've done a good job at this? Like when YKW tampered on Twitter, we issued a strong ruling on it. Appeals thought that it was too harsh given the context and reduced it.

XXXIII. The Appeals Team is essentially identical to HO in that their hiring process is completely non-transparent.
XXXIV. Yet this non-transparent shadow council is given the only check on HO's absolute power and the league is instructed to blindly trust them.

See II. Also the Appeals Team is made up of a group of well respected members of the league. I'm not sure I've ever seen someone get hired to appeals and be called a "bad hire".

XXXV. The Audit team also has no purpose to exist, their job is to do retroactively do the updater's jobs for them.
XXXVI. The Audit team's existence increases the burden on GMs so that bean counters can feel better about their spots on TPE leaderboards.

The Audit team's job is to make sure updates are correct. Updaters can make mistakes because their job takes place over a few hours on Saturday, auditors get the chance to move much slower and more careful in order to catch anything that slips through the cracks. Also I'm not sure anyone actually cares about their spot on TPE leaderboards that much, considering it wasn't even tracked for many seasons. It's a cool thing but I don't think people are killing themselves over

XXXVII. The Audit team's existence is a scheme to provide more league jobs as the league has outgrown the current economy and HO doesn't want to reconfigure the salary cap.

This implies Audit team was HO's idea. It was not. I'm also not sure how reconfiguring the salary cap changes things? I think most are satisfied with it being at $85M right now.

XXXVIII. This is also the reason for the existence of the Casino and Stock Market.
XXXIX. They also serve as bread and circuses to placate the league as the few "most dedicated users" amass vast wealth and power at the top.

They are absolutely bread and circuses, and absolutely a way for people with money to spend it more. Also I think this is a call out at me? I'm the richest user, and I have two MDM awards. So this is definitely at me. No, I don't participate in the Casino or Stock Market. I literally couldn't care less for them.

I have so much wealth I can't even do anything with it. Amassing more means literally nothing outside of joking with Isa. If having this much fake money actually meant something that would be really cool.

Also it's worth mentioning that I've offered to do raffles and donations of my money in the past but those are strictly illegal.

XL. League jobs and wealth are now concentrated in cliques.
XLI. While that is standard for online communities, it is a fast-track to abuses of power and corruption in a league setting.

The richest people in this league either got it from doing draft graphics (which I think most people think is a worthy thing to pay big bucks for? We get paid $500K a draft card, which to be honest is a massive underpay) or by writing so so so much media. If the Illuminati in this league is me, BigRed, and Isa, we're doing a shitty job.

XLII. This corruption was demonstrated when the current ISFL commissioner conspired with the current DSFL commissioner to break serious league rules.
XLIII. The team that suffered a loss from the situation was never compensated.
XLIV. The precedent that deleted discord messages that were not screenshotted cannot be used against you was set. Know your rights, folks.

Alright time for another breakdown? For the record, I wasn't in HO at the time and was picked to be an unbiased official in counting votes. Anyways.

1) Did it seem like Bex wanted to go to NOLA? Sure.
2) It was a Free Agent move, so the team that suffered a loss does not get compensated anyways?
3) The deleted Discord messages were published. Why were they deleted? No clue. It was stupid. But that was the main reason a lot of the voters (GMs, HO) wanted to remove Bex. Not because she may have been tampered to NOLA (she wasn't, as far as I could see), but because she deleted messages that were relevant to an investigation.

XLV. The whistleblower was punished. The result was being banned from the league.
XLVI. This is another core tenet of authoritarian power structures.

He was punished for releasing hundreds of private messages in an effort to harass and attack someone who thought they were her friend. It wasn't whistleblowing. It was harassment. If punishing that kind of harassment makes me a dictator, then sign me up.

XLVII. Earlier I mentioned bread and circuses to placate the league, but I forgot to mention Dotts, the ultimate bread and circuses.
XLVIII. Imagine buying pictures that are made for you for free during the draft with a frame copy/pasted around them.

It's for fun? That's the point? I don't think they're to placate the league, it wasn't our idea. Caltroit and some others wanted to make something cool. We thought it was cool. That's how Dotts came to be.

XLIX. The hierarchy of the league includes a level of political intrigue that sometimes makes the league feel more like a medieval court roleplay server.
L. I shouldn't need to elaborate on why this is an issue, but medieval courts largely rely on currying favor in order to gain special treatment.
LI. This is yet another core tenet of authoritarian power structures.

There's political intrigue?! Why wasn't I invited. Besides, Steg was one of our most vocal critics, and we hired him?

Also sir this is an online dot football league.

LII. HO interns are just a way for HO to underpay people that subsidize their work.

HO interns are just a way for HO to invite people who might want to join HO to peek inside the curtain and see if they're interested, and for HO to see how those users behave with HO powers. The only strict responsibility HO interns have is talking to departments for the annual inventory. Otherwise they help us out and provide their perspective on issues. They're not slaves for us, as much as we joke about not getting our coffee.

LIII. HO has done more to prevent structural change that they feel diminishes their control than they have done to improve the league.

????

Also let me just say, this does a disservice to the absolutely massive amount of work Exilizer put into the forum migration. Everyone wanted off of JCINK, and now we're off.

LIV. Unparalleled success in recruitment in recent seasons and the constant addition of new "features" have masked this fact.

I disagree with this, obviously. But it's not like we're trying to hide the fact that we're incompetent by being competent?

LV. There is no reason HO should get an awards vote.
LVI. Admittedly, most of HO publicly claims to agree with this notion, but certain bootlicking GMs who cried when a HO member voted with clear bias prevented this rule from going through.

Oh god we hate voting. But that was also an overwhelming "make HO vote" pass in the rules summit? It was 12 for to 18 against.

LVII. New users are to be taught that they will not be able to get away with breaking the rules, which any new user who pays attention knows you just need to reach the level of exemption from rules first.

lol what

Also I was fined for leaking DSFL draft information like, 3 weeks ago? I thought I controlled the league with my vast wealth.

LVIII. New users are to be taught not to be a dick.
LIX. New users are to be taught that they can have a say in the future of the league.
LX. New users are to be taught that every action has an equal and opposite reaction.
LXI. New users are to be taught that the league thrives when its user base demands more from their leadership.
LXII. New users are to be taught that gambling is more likely to leave you broke rather than rich.
LXIII. New users are to be taught that HO has a responsibility to live up to their standards, as well as the other way around.
LXIV. Just as HO justly shuts down the poor behavior of deviant users, the users should have means to shut down the behavior of deviant HO members.

Yes? Obviously accountability should be all around. But what means do you want for users to shut down HO? The last time users were trusted with a vote they voted Beat MeOff the MVP of the league. I am all for more representation, but users meme the shit out of votes. This is how we end up with JimmyGOAT10 as the commissioner.

LXV. Members should be exhorted to be diligent in following the ISFL rulebook, regardless of their positions within the league.

That's how rules work?

LXVI. It is clear that the power of head office rests solely in the good faith of the league members, and the league members get no representation in arguments towards HO.

I'm not entirely sure what this is supposed to mean. Do you mean you want a voted-in member or something? I covered that above. Do you mean users who are prosecuted don't get to represent themselves? More often than not we talk to the users under investigation to get more context and their side of the story.

Also, I honestly think that if a large majority of the userbase turns against us we would step down.

LXVII. If the authority of HO is left unchallenged, the authority of HO will continue to grow until it is an insurmountable obstacle for the rest of the league.

I'm not actually sure how our authority can grow?

LXVIII. Anyone who speaks the truth regarding the imbalance of power in this league will be isolated and even persecuted for merely expressing their opinion, we've seen it before.

I think this is more a function of people supporting HO more and also many people who "speaks the truth" does so in a denigrating or destructive method. See XLV. and XLVI.

LXIX. #AC4Commish
LXX. Watch me get punished for putting that at 69.

lmfao

LXXI. Why does the head office, whose effort is certainly high, but not unparalleled within the league get paid so much more than other roles if not to distort the league's balance of wealth?

We get paid the same as updaters. We also have to babysit the league everyday - having had other jobs and now being HO I do think our effort is elevated compared to many other positions.

Also, I'm rich because I did the draft graphics for over 12 seasons now. That's where my money comes from. Steg did a shit ton of articles. That's why we're rich.

LXXII. Why do good, active users routinely get ignored for job openings in favor of applicants with at least one (usually more) league jobs?

We don't hire those positions, you'll have to ask the department heads. That being said, HO did introduce a job limit so that more people could have jobs, and it was voted down 8-10.

LXXIII. Why does the DSFL HO exist since they have done very little to curb the toxic competitiveness in the DSFL and have actively contributed to the largest recent DSFL scandal?

I would actually argue the DSFL has gotten a lot better recently? Maybe that's a function of me not being super attached to it anymore. The most recent scandal involved a player explicitly wanting to go to a team and the GMs not actively shutting it down. It wasn't active collusion to screw over another DSFL team. It was just collusion to get a player on their team. That being said it does touch back to HO being in war rooms and the inherent biases that exist there.

The other reason DSFL HO exists is to get something off our plates as ISFL HO. Taking care of two leagues mean both leagues get less proper attention and care. And also it makes me hate myself more.

LXXIV. Why has the HO routinely sided with users (more accurately their GMs) on rules that would add competitive balance to the league?

??? I'm going to need clarification on this one.

LXXV. Since the Appeals Team seeks justice rather than biased favor, why was Zamir punished more harshly than Yellowknife for essentially the exact same tampering issue?

IIRC this is because Zamir explicitly said to come to Arizona, while Yellowknife did a "hello there".

LXXVI. The connections between HO decisions and their motives can be observed by the most average user, so why is it allowed to continue?
LXXVII. The fact is the HO knows that the average user is concerned with box scores and Dotts packs rather than the moves they make in the shadows.

I don't think we have ulterior motives? Also why wouldn't the average user be concerned with box scores and Dotts packs? The point of the league is to be a football player.

LXXVIII. HO would rather appease the bloodthirsty masses than provide justice to the few.

The bloodthirsty masses generally think we don't provide justice to the few. That being said, we do take an eye as to how our rulings will be reacted. Not because we think they'll be controversial though (even though they always are) - but because we want to make sure the league stays stable. Is that just us trying to keep ourselves in power? I'll leave that as an exercise to the reader.

LXXIX. Let those who stand up to the mistreatment of those who lack both legislative and judicial power be commended for their actions.
LXXX. The importance in separation of Judicial, Legislative, and Executive powers is well documented in free nations around the world. Why is a body given power over all 3 aspects of the league?

Sir, this is an online dot football league. Also, in a sense the GMs are like legislators, and appeals is the judicial branch. GMs propose rules and vote on them. Appeals reviews decisions made and make sure they're correct.

Also, I think it's valid to point out that the federal government is extremely slow to do things and has lots of ways for things to grind to a complete halt, which isn't really tenable for the league.

LXXXI. In my humble opinion, Head Office should oversee the executive functions of the league, with new bodies being established to control judicial and legislative powers.
LXXXII. This would free HO from any accusations of bias as there would be proper checks on the biases of any one body.
LXXXIII. This would also give the rest of the league a review process they could trust.
LXXXIV. As well as solve HO's problem with job creation that has led to bureaucratic redundancies across the league.

I'm going to need more details here? What exactly should HO's responsibilities be in this situation? What are the legislative and judicial branches supposed to do?

LXXXV. Most reading this will continue to bow at the alter of HO until they inevitably reach an interaction with the council that results in a clearly incorrect decision upheld unanimously by the appeals team.

*altar

Also I wish people were bowing to us smh. Nearly every time we do something, there is outrage.

LXXXVI. This article is for you to refer back to, those who have been wronged and ignored by the rest of your peers out of fear of losing favor.
LXXXVII. As the league continues to grow, these problems will only continue to be exacerbated.

I think the losing favor again comes down to the way you react to it. You can disagree with rulings and not lose favor with your peers.

LXXXVIII. The solution will be to add more members to HO in an attempt to maintain control.

We want to add more members to HO so that each HO member has less work to do. A 4 person HO is a huge headache. It sucks. A larger HO also allows us to get more perspectives, which I think we all agree would be a good thing.

LXXXIX. This is not an issue that can be solved without the dissolution of their powers into equal branches of governance, in my opinion of course.

I think the biggest problem with this proposal is that we can't get enough people to get into the weeds of HO in this league. I'm not sure there'd be enough interest from the userbase to create 3 branches of government. Most people are here to just have fun and pretend to play football.

XC. To be completely frank, I like all of the members of HO and consider some to be friends.
XCI. I have nothing against any individuals in any of the bodies mentioned above, it is the governing bodies and their flawed design that I have an issue with.

I like you too Calling us out, again, is good. But I'm also going to take that time to defend ourselves.

XCII. That being said, I stand by my assertations that people in positions of power have escaped punishments as a direct result of their positions.

I think that's an okay stance to take. I don't necessarily agree with it? But I understand it.

XCIII. HO is a very difficult and under-appreciated job.

I think recently there's been more of an outreach from users to us in appreciation. Which I can tell you I appreciate. That being said, I think you might classify some of those people as boot-lickers or bowing down to the altar of HO, which I'm not sure is a fair assessment. A lot of those people also strongly disagree with what we rule or say, but they still appreciate the work put in.

XCIV. That does not absolve them of being held to the high standard this league expects of its leadership.

We do tend to hold ourselves to a higher standard. Sometimes we fail, and that's to be honest expected. This isn't our real job.

XCV. Who thought the league Bachelorette was actually a good idea and not just a fun meme?

I thought it was a meme until that was posted in announcements.

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Like I said above, I don't want people to get angry at gucci for writing this out. He brings up good points, though I'm not sure I agree with a lot of them. But the userbase should be free to criticize us, just as we should be able to defend ourselves. I worry that spreading out league power sets us up for doom just because it relies on many more people to be at HO-levels of in tune with the league, which is much higher than the standard. But more representation is a good thing, and increasing that is important. More details are going to be needed on how the "branches of government" proposal will work before I would feel comfortable giving a strong opinion on it.

Okay off to make this awards ceremonyyyyy

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[infinitempg]

> XII. HO's main concern is maintaining control over the league and protecting their power.

I suspect that all or at least most of them have the main concern of enjoying their time in a simulation football league. And if that isn't their main concern it's probably because their enjoyment was sapped out of it by people yelling at HO all the time.

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[manicmav36]

This man has lost his mind. Never mind that he's just throwing stones without any recommendations on how to fix ANY of the things he pointed out.

I would love constructive feedback on how to make the appeals team hiring process more transparent. As someone who has been in charge of MULTIPLE hiring groups in the league, it's been done the exact same way in each group. We take applications, we read applications, we vote on applications.

[Crunk]

TIL @infinitempg is a class act tbh

[infinitempg]

TIL @infinitempg is a class act tbh

just trying me best

[Baron1898]

This is how we end up with JimmyGOAT10 as the commissioner.

I fail to see the problem with this.

[Thiath]

Guys I think Zamir got a hold of Gucci's account, someone should look into this.

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Sir, this is an online dot football league.

[Pat]

Guys I think Zamir got a hold of Gucci's account, someone should look into this.

Wouldn't the post be way more incoherent if that was the truth?