(02-13-2023, 09:38 PM)Z-Whiz Wrote:You could easily argue that Archipelago was a TD merchant and only had so many TDs due to the efficiency of his QB getting them down the field. His 4.3 YPC shows that he was not an efficient runner and there are negatives to his game. As for the better supporting cast statement, sure you can argue Knight had a better supporting cast, but saying that doesn’t really matter when there are no negatives to Knights game outside of choking in the playoffs (good thing those don’t matter for MVP). Don’t get me wrong I see the argument that he deserves MVP I just think it’s a fairly substantially weaker argument than Knighs case.(02-13-2023, 09:31 PM)Frostbite Wrote:(02-13-2023, 09:26 PM)infinitempg Wrote:But it can be argued Archipelago wasn’t a top 3 MVP candidate due to very strong supporting cast, poor YPC, etc. I would still have him at 2 personally but at least it can be validly argued. I have yet to see an argument as to why Carter Knight should not be considered a top 3 MVP candidate. And would love to see an explanation from either of those teams as to why Knight was not on their ballots.(02-13-2023, 09:06 PM)Frostbite Wrote: Thank you Honolulu and New Orleans for leaving a top 10 QB season all time off of the MVP ballot. Very cool
I mean, if it makes you feel better, Colorado, SJS, and OCO all included Knight and did not include Archipelago
Uhhh, you had a better supporting cast lmao. Any RB that gets over 2000 scrimmage yards and 20 TDs is absolutely top 3.
(02-13-2023, 09:47 PM)Frostbite Wrote:(02-13-2023, 09:38 PM)Z-Whiz Wrote:You could easily argue that Archipelago was a TD merchant and only had so many TDs due to the efficiency of his QB getting them down the field. His 4.3 YPC shows that he was not an efficient runner and there are negatives to his game. As for the better supporting cast statement, sure you can argue Knight had a better supporting cast, but saying that doesn’t really matter when there are no negatives to Knights game outside of choking in the playoffs (good thing those don’t matter for MVP). Don’t get me wrong I see the argument that he deserves MVP I just think it’s a fairly substantially weaker argument than Knighs case.(02-13-2023, 09:31 PM)Frostbite Wrote:(02-13-2023, 09:26 PM)infinitempg Wrote:But it can be argued Archipelago wasn’t a top 3 MVP candidate due to very strong supporting cast, poor YPC, etc. I would still have him at 2 personally but at least it can be validly argued. I have yet to see an argument as to why Carter Knight should not be considered a top 3 MVP candidate. And would love to see an explanation from either of those teams as to why Knight was not on their ballots.(02-13-2023, 09:06 PM)Frostbite Wrote: Thank you Honolulu and New Orleans for leaving a top 10 QB season all time off of the MVP ballot. Very cool Again, you’re making an argument that can be used against you. The same could be said of Knight being a TD merchant. Only difference is you weren’t splitting passes like Kumquat was splitting carries. Sarasota ran the 2nd least amount and only had 8 rushing touchdowns. Now, I don’t believe Knight was a TD merchant cuz that’s an outrageous take, as is calling Kumquat one. I realize you’re biased and I know how it feels to miss out on an award you feel you deserve. But it’s a lot closer of a race than you’re making it out to be. Either way, I’m just glad you voted this time so you don’t have to blame yourself.
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I’m sorry but what you’re saying actually makes no sense what. What you’re saying is not at all the same as the arguement I made. YKW had a top 6 passing offense as well as their elite rushing offense, meaning that therefore Archipelago was not forced to carry the offense in any way, as like you said he split carries somewhat, and the passing offense was elite enough to move the ball when he could not. On the other side, Sarasota had a bottom 2 rushing offense and Knight was therefore essentially forced to be the offense at times as he could not rely on the other half of the offense to generate yards and first downs on a consistent basis, something Archie could rely on. Like, that whole arguement above was based on the fact that YKW had an elite passing offense and therefore Archie did not need to carry the offense and was able to punch in many drives despite not contributing heavily to them. Again, I see how Archie could deserve it; 2k yards and 22 TDs is impressive but you can’t just say words and act like you’re right when you aren’t. If you’re going to discredit my argument at least make sure to actually be right and have solid reasoning instead of just saying I’m biased and bringing up the past. So with all due respect fuck you until you say something worth reading . And I know you’re just here to stir the pot bc that’s what you do so congrats I guess.
And really don’t think it’s ridiculous to say a RB with a 4.3 YPC is a TD merchant. Jamal Williams was one this season in the NFL, but it would be as if Jamal combined with CMC in a sense. Very good player, but would Jamal have had as many TDs if the Lions passing offense wasn’t as proficient as it was? Obviously not and I believe the same can apply to Archipelago. These are just arguments against Archipelago, and there’s another side to every argument, but there’s much more to criticize about his season than Knights. Again, both quality MVP candidates, but have not really seen a knock on Knights game outside of a good supporting cast, which both Archipelago and Knight had (even though Knight had no run game) (02-13-2023, 10:50 PM)Frostbite Wrote: I’m sorry but what you’re saying actually makes no sense what. What you’re saying is not at all the same as the arguement I made. YKW had a top 6 passing offense as well as their elite rushing offense, meaning that therefore Archipelago was not forced to carry the offense in any way, as like you said he split carries somewhat, and the passing offense was elite enough to move the ball when he could not. On the other side, Sarasota had a bottom 2 rushing offense and Knight was therefore essentially forced to be the offense at times as he could not rely on the other half of the offense to generate yards and first downs on a consistent basis, something Archie could rely on. Like, that whole arguement above was based on the fact that YKW had an elite passing offense and therefore Archie did not need to carry the offense and was able to punch in many drives despite not contributing heavily to them. Again, I see how Archie could deserve it; 2k yards and 22 TDs is impressive but you can’t just say words and act like you’re right when you aren’t. If you’re going to discredit my argument at least make sure to actually be right and have solid reasoning instead of just saying I’m biased and bringing up the past. So with all due respect fuck you until you say something worth reading . And I know you’re just here to stir the pot bc that’s what you do so congrats I guess. Frost do your regression
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